Burning CDs with Sound Forge

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My question, is there a way to track audio to CD without gaps. So that when the CD plays in a drive there is no gap between tracks, just a smoove transition as the track increments. I have Sound Forge 6.0 and I am realitively new to it. I understand you can write CDs with it but how much editing to the program/audio to be written can you do.?

From the tip of the spear! USS George Washington, USN!
 
From what I understand, the format used to make music cdrs REQUIRES there be a space between each seperate wave file, and the standard is 2 seconds. I have never been able to get around it in many attempts and a couple different type of drives.
 
>From the tip of the spear! USS George Washington, USN!

Are you calling our Navy a bunch of spear-chuckers? :D

Seriously. I investigated my copy of Sound Forge as to its CD burning capability and it doesn't do what you want.

Let me restate "what you want" and see if I understand you correctly. You want to take one long (or not so long- I dunno)
.wav file and break it up into tracks so that it still sounds like one long, continuous song when played on a CD player but will allow you to access the tracks using the CD player's track skip/search capability.

If that's it, what you need is a CD burning program like Nero or EZ-CD Creator that will support what is known as "Disc-At-Once" burning.

Sound Forge is still a cool program to use to divide up the file into the smaller chunks that will be given separate names and assigned track numbers on the CD. Just select the "Disc-At-Once" option before you start the burning process. Generally "Track-At-Once" is the default arrangement.

I'd be careful to make the track divisions at a zero crossing. That is, where the wave crosses the middle of the .wav display and the sample value is 0. Zoom in on it as far as you need to, to make sure or risk getting some popping sounds at the beginning or end of the track division.
 
>I have never been able to get around it in many attempts and a couple different type of drives

Not all burners support disc-at-once burning so that MAY be the problem. It's not a really new feature so chances are your drive does. I just did a test burn onto a mini CDR just to prove to myself that I wasn't blowing smoke- (I don't remember the last time I did this as I usually go with the 2-second gap) and it worked as advertised. No gap.
 
success?

<Are you calling our Navy a bunch of spear-chuckers? >
Drstawl, the term "the tip of the spear" refers to being forward deployed, as in on the high sea overseas somewhere in this case.

You were correct in your perception of my problem. I am basically trying to copy a mix CD and I don't want any gaps between the tracks. Nero and CD Creator sound like good options but unfortunately, they are out of the question at right now because of my location.
In your last:>. It's not a really new feature so chances are your drive does. I just did a test burn onto a mini CDR just to prove to myself that I wasn't blowing smoke- (I don't remember the last time I did this as I usually go with the 2-second gap) and it worked as advertised. No gap.<

Does this mean that you were able to record your CD without any gaps between tracks using Soundforge.

Thanks for your responses,
From the tip of the spear!
 
>record your CD without any gaps between tracks using Soundforge.

No- I used EZ-CD Creator. Just as a test of a feature that I haven't used in years. But that doesn't mean that this program or Nero are the only game in town. The feature to look for (might be some freeware or shareware out there; I haven't looked because each burner that I've bought came with one of these programs)
is, as mentioned, "Disc-At-Once" capability. Good Luck!
 
WoW!!

I feel like such a NEWB!!

I had no idea what disk-vs-track at once did, thanks!! ;)
 
If you want no gaps between tracks try C.D Architect(You'll have to find an earlier version of soundforge like 4.5 as later versions dont support it).You can overlap the tracks so as one is fading out the other is starting,you still get track numbers,but your C.D plays like one long song with no gaps.

Hope this helps - Matt
 
ah yes...CD architect. unfortunatly, the list seems to be dwindling of available CD writers that are supported by this FINE program. Best CD burning program to date, on this planet, imo. When my Pextor dies, I guess I will have to give Wavelab a spin. None of those other programs lets you adjust the spacing between tracks, to the best of my knowledge....nor create PQ lists indepentdent of the audio files.
 
Amen to that Mixmkr,
I'm using the QPS JVC S.C.S.I burner that came with my Roland VS1680 ,
when it dies I'm gonna' have no choice but to buy another compatible burner because C.D Architect is,without exception,the best CDR program I have ever used.
I recently finished a spoken word(Poetry to music ) project,and at the last minute the client wanted certain tracks to overlap.But he still wanted the relevant track markers for each piece.Without C.D Architect this would have been virtually impossible.
Its a pity that some near-sighted fuckwit within Sonic Foundries corporate structure found it necessary to discontinue support for this brilliant piece of software.

RANT,RANT(Sorry) - Matt
 
HAVE YOU TRIED......

..........to open all the .wav files and then copy and paste them all in the same as number one?? I think it'll work, but your cd player will see one track only.

you have to delete, the spaces between files and depending on what you want to do, you can use the fade in/fade out feature between songs.
 
As you might already know Vegas Video will do what you want as CD Architect is now part of that application.

I have never been able to acheive that "no gap" thing on SF 6.0. I don't thinks its possible unless you edit all your tracks together as a single file - and who wants to do that?.

Acid will do it as well. Rip the tracks off the disc and open them up in Acid as seperate tracks. You will only get a single track on the index though.

Hope this helped a little.
 
This is Bullshit!

It looks like you guys are right. Sound Foundry has disabled or discontinued CD Architect function in Sound Forge because they've included in another one of there products according to this months Future's Computer Music mag. That sux! Another software manufacturer trying to squeeze every penny out of us. Well I'm just going to have to do with out it for now, I'm not fallin for it. Maybe I'll go with Nero or some thing else commercial when I can. For this Sound Foundry get's the FINGER :mad:
 
Question...Theoretically speaking:
If a software manufacturer discontinues or no longer supports a piece of it's software, would and should it still be illegal to make copies of that software to distribute freely?
 
I have noticed the same problem in Sound Forge. So, I just take the CD to the Alesis Masterlink and adjust start times to create whatever gap I want, or no gap at all. It's a great tool for the things your computer just doesn't want to do. Al
 
With my older version of soundforge and an older version of Adaptec Easy CD Creator, I do the following to accomplish this:

Open The wave you want to cut up in Soundforge.

CUT (not copy) the audio you want to be the LAST track from the end of the file. It doesn't matter if it's in the end of a song, the middle, or the beginning.

Open a new file and paste the audio in. Save the new file under the name you want (I usually use a format like "30songtitle"...the reason for the 30 becomes clear soon)

Once it's saved, close that file and go back to the main file. Cut off the next section at the end. Open a new file and paste it in. Save the new file under the name "29songtitle".....

Repeat this process until you are at the first track and simply save that one as the last name in the series. This should close your original wave and leave it untouched as one continuous file. You should also have a series of files with names like (if, say, you ended up with six tracks total all named after colors)

25Redsong
26Bluesong
27Greensong
28Yellowsong
29Blacksong
30Lavendersong

The numbers make it easy to remember in what order they need to go on the CD. Close soundforge and open your CD creator program. Create an Audio CD with all the numbered files you created. Make sure the "disc-at-once" option is checked before you record because that's what tells it to burn without the gaps. Because you used CUT, the end of each file matches the beginning of the next perfectly. I have done this plenty of times without any gaps, pops, or other artifacts between the files.

Now, I am told that Samplitude will let you just drop the track begin points in the wave and just burn the CD straight away, which is MUCH less time consuming. When I can afford a copy I'll probably get it, because I seem to end up doing a lot of "archaic format-to-CD" transfers.
 
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