Building new dedicated DAW. Are my specs ok?

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Yup! Although there's no reason not to take a step up to P4 ... I know I would if I could justify the money. A couple of years ago Intel couldn't even touch the Athlons though, so it's still pretty close.

Polaris - were they the Northwoods?
 
I couldn't wait to get one part per pay cheque so I ordered it on credit from aria.co.uk today..here's the parts list, remember I already have the rackmount case and silent PSU and my sound cards.


Intel Pentium 4 3000 (HT,RET,800) £116.00 1
Asus P4P800 Deluxe £69.00 1
Kingmax "Turbo" 512Mb 3200 Fast DDR £62.00 2 £124.00
160GB Maxtor ATA133/7200 8MB £56.00 1
40GB Maxtor DiamondMax+ ATA133/7200 £30.00 1
Zalman CNPS7000 (478/754) Alu-Cop £27.00 1
NEC 2510 Dual Layer DVDRW Black £55.00 1
Arianet Style RF KB & Optical Mouse £27.00 1
3½" Silver Floppy Drive £9.00 1 £9.00

Should all be here by monday...build monday night or tuesday. I'll post back and let you all know how it goes. It feels like christmas!

Alec
 
mpthreer said:
i have been drinking a lot, but (lol) if you can overclock the fsb and get better results it seems that the fsb would be where the bottleneck (strain on dataflow) is created....
Let me put it this way, mp, suppose you had a crappy band and you replaced the drum player with a better one and the band got better, but it was still crappy.

Does that mean that you should look for an even better drummer, or should you try to find out why the band is crappy in the first place? :-)

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Here's the straight dope on RAID: On single-user computers RAID (of any kind) will hardly ever lead to an improvement in performance and will very often degrade performance. RAID levels 1 and up are handy for guarding against disk failure, though.

The reason you've heard differently is because RAID is one of those things that scores very high on synthetic benchmarks. Unfortunately those benchmark scores don't help real-life applications.

If you'd like to read a little more, here is a link to some detailed information about it. RAID Controller Review

If you just want the condensed version, here it is:
Unfortunately, Business Winstone scores don't scale much at all. The performance benefit moving from a single drive to RAID 1 or RAID 0 is negligible at best.
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We see a little more scaling action in the Multimedia Content Creation Winstone, particularly moving to RAID 0, but the small performance boost probably isn't enough to justify the cost of a second hard drive.
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RAID doesn't offer much of a performance benefit over single-drive configurations in our DivX encoding test. Sure you can pick up a fraction of a frame per second by adding a second drive, but really, that's about it.

Okay, then, maybe RAID doesn't help with running programs, but how about with booting?
The ranking from first to fifth is the same for single drives, RAID 1 arrays, and RAID 0. RAID doesn't do much to speed up boot times.

Well, at least it will help you load your game levels faster, won't it?
Sorry. Nope. Going to RAID doesn't speed things up a whole lot. The SiS964 and nForce3 250Gb both flirt with a one second slow-down moving from a single drive to RAID 1, but level load times are otherwise pretty consistent in the Unreal Tournament 2004 demo.

And in conclusion:
I would be remiss not to point out how little performance impact different RAID levels had in our application benchmarks and stopwatch tests. Although multi-user and synthetic disk subsystem tests like IOMeter, HD Tach, and ATTO show clear differences between the performance of each RAID implementation and array configuration, the performance benefit in more real world applications is significantly less pronounced.

-- Rick
 
mpthreer said:
rfarris thanks for showing us your ability to use vocaublary, who cares...
This is a written forum, mp, so that's what we do here -- we use our vocabulary (and our grammar and our spelling.) Just like playing in tune, being able to compose a simple sentence does not comprise showing off, but rather the mastery of basic communication skills.


mpthreer said:
... and the only relevant thing youve said to this guys issues is that you might lose all your data...
So...if someone told you that if you bought a drumset like Billy Cobham's you could play like him, and you believed him, and all I did was point out that it would take a little more than the drumset, oh nevermind...


mpthreer said:
...they only have a seventy five gig one on there (approx.) which is why i was thinkin it might work better with a raid (for a total of 150 gigs)
So tell me this, mp: What would be the total gigs if he didn't have a RAID?

-- Rick
 
manning1 said:
imho as a computer engineer i wouldnt touch raid. i believe the more complexities one brings to the table the more possibilty of problems.
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my advice - keep it simple. ... want back up ? - just put an extra 70 dollar drive into a pc and copy the song folder across from the working drive.
nice and simple. thats what i do.

Now there's a man with some experience!

-- Rick
 
rfarris.....thanks man...I'm not doing the RAID thing ;)

I've streamed back 36 audio tracks from my current set up (XP1800 512M PC2100 ATA133 7200) with no problems so I doubt I'll encounter any on this new set up running the same drive config as before

I don't know enough about SATA to go down that road as yet...maybe in the future...I think I'm pretty much futureproof....for a while with my new setup tho.

Alec.
 
LemonTree said:
rfarris.....thanks man...I'm not doing the RAID thing ;)
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I don't know enough about SATA to go down that road as yet...maybe in the future...I think I'm pretty much futureproof....for a while with my new setup tho.
Everything looks fine, Alec.

Practically speaking, the only advantage to SATA, today, is those cute little cables. If you have several hard drives, it sure cuts down on the clutter.

Do you have the whole system together now?

-- Rick
 
You can get quite small rounded cables for normal IDE drives now for a tiny bit extra. Certainly worth it if you're concerned about air-flow.

Alec - It's better than Christmas, because you wanted all the presents, they all fit together and there's tonnes of shrink-wrap to destroy!
 
lets make that TONES of shrinkwrap!! ;)

Should have all the parts by monday, farris
 
question that just struck me...

I've only ever built AMD systems before.....

When I put this baby together.....how do I get into the bios (del key on Gigabyte board) on the Asus P4P800 Deluxe to tell it to boot first time from CD to load win XP?
 
The new 939 AMD 64s are out, and the reviews are in......Intel gets their ass handed to them once again. Even the EE's get booted. And the A64's are still cheaper than the EE's.
 
LemonTree said:
When I put this baby together.....how do I get into the bios (del key on Gigabyte board) on the Asus P4P800 Deluxe to tell it to boot first time from CD to load win XP?
They'll tell you on the boot screen. I think it's F1, but it doesn't matter. Asus knows you'll probably want to load an operating system, so by default it will check the CD-ROM.

-- Rick
 
you guys have been great!

My 19" rackmount case came today, 4U and aver 2 feet deep...it's a monster. New problem...I have to build a custom rack for this baby.

All my other parts were in stock and dispatched today. ETA Monday....I'm just sitting here looking at the case :p
 
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