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Kasey
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thanks my2cents, i dont know much about drums to be honest so everytime i find something on ebay i'll just run it through you guys for your opinion.
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my2cents
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Kasey said:
ok. here's my opinion of the blue sparkle bass drum currently on ebay...i believe the drum is a ludwig. i'm basing that on the lugs, the hoops and what appears to be a white painted shell interior (which dates the drum to pre-1970-ish) and not on the fact that the head says "ludwig". (obviously, any drum can have a head that says "ludwig".) also, it loooks exactly like my 1965 ludwig, but bigger and different color. it looks like there is one lug missing. not a big deal. the cosmetic issues are not a big deal, either (wrinkled drum wrap at the seam...easily fixed or hidden. the seam is usually on the bottom of the drum on ludwig bass drums, so it'd probably be hidden by the floor and it wouldn't affect the sound.). i'd say that is an excellent drum.
worth noting...seller wants $85 for shippnig.
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Kasey
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my2cents said:
thank you.... i would get it but $85 for shipping is a bit much, ill have to think about it, i might not even have that much
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my2cents
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Kasey said:
that would have been a deal breaker for me, too. (i'll be honest with you, if shipping were $15 me and you would probably be in an ebay bidding war right now
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applejax
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lol....too bad it ended
I know some guys who can make you a 28" but it'd NEW ...but you can always order a shell yourself and get all the parts
I know some guys who can make you a 28" but it'd NEW ...but you can always order a shell yourself and get all the parts
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Bdrum
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A month ago marching perc. was selling big on E-bay because of the end of the school year.I found some killer deals on snares.
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Mikey likes it!
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-You are nuts. 
-The kit sounds cool.
-If you don't post pics were all gonna choke you.
-The kit sounds cool.
-If you don't post pics were all gonna choke you.
earthboundrec
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Kasey said:
Maybe try calling local high schools and colleges in the area and talk to a band director. A lot of times they will have a bunch of huge drums laying around that haven't been played in years that you could get for a descent price.
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Kasey
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alright... i'm having an incredibly hard time finding these drums... I'm starting to think I should consider building them. At least the 28" bass drum. How hard would this be? Am i going to have to suddenly learn how to be a master craftsman just to get a halfway decent sound? could someone give me a few pointers here because im pretty cautious about this idea... i'm afraid ill totally screw it up. what wood should i get, where should i look for hardware, what kind is best, how should i do it....etc.etc.etc.
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my2cents
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Kasey said:
that stinks. i would have thought st. louis (that's where you are, right?) would have a lot of music stores that could help you out.
i just remembered, if you find an old marching snare drum make sure to measure the head to see if it is a size that is still common. my grandfather gave me a drum of this type that he got from the aleppo temple shriner band. it was a huge hassle finding a head that would fit a drum with a diameter of 16 3/4 inches. i had to buy a 17 inch head, which are (or were a few years ago) still being made, but are virtually impossible to find. i had to order one from a shop somewhere in chicago.
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tilinmyowngrave
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Kasey said:
Ask TimBrown. He built is own drum set with 28" kicks.
Tim Brown
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Kasey said:
It can be as easy or as tough as you want it to be.
Go to the link in my signature.
You can buy the shell, select the hardware that you want (Lugs and spurs) - You'll want 12 lugs per side - any less and you'll have a ton of wrinkles in the head and a hard time tuning it.
To make it easy on yourself, have them drill the drum for everything.
Then all you have to do is finish it. I used Minwax WIPE-ON Polyureathane on my kit. It worked great. The shell will come sanded and ready to be finished. Instead of using sandpaper, I would suggest using a Green 3M scrubby pad available at any "D.I.Y. hardware store". Get a few of them because they will get gunked up.
Also, purchase a box of rags.
Apply a coating of polyureathane with a rag and let the drumshell sit about 6 hours. once it is dry, lightly "sand" it with the scrubby pad, wipe it clean with a clean rag, and then apply another coat.
For the first 2 or 3 coats, I would do inside and out.
These coatings are going to be very thin. If you want to stain the drum, you must do that FIRST, before applying any of this polyureathane finish.
I put about 12 coats on my kit, but I used a low gloss finish...I didn't want the kit to be super shiny - just sealed so the elements wouldn't affect the drum. I live in Florida and the Humidity is really bad here.
One you have finished the final coat let it set for a day or so, and then you can either budff it by hand and use some kind of car wax or furniture polish with carnuba in it, and then wipe the shell clean.
Then assemble the hardware you've bought, and put the drum together.
For Muffling, I would suggest a faily large pillow.
I have the Evans "Gate" Pillows in mine, but they didn't provide enough "thump" for me, so I put a king-sized pillow in each one, and they have TONS of low end.
I love the sound of the 28" kicks, and can't see myself using anything else.
http://www.myspace.com/buckskincondom
This is a joke band that I was in called Buckskin Condom. ( ie., we were so old we had Condom's made of Buckskin. - My brother dubbed us that.)
All the songs were really kind of funny....in a twisted sort of way.
This song is about the lead singer's ex-girlfriend who was a former coke head, she started using crack, so he wrote this song called "She's my Backsliding Crack-Junkie Girlfriend" after she ripped him off.
It's a first take recorded live to DAT in the bandroom. We practiced the song 3 times and went for it, so there are screw ups galore. (granted - I hadn't touched the set in about 6 months, so I should have practiced a few more days before recording anything.)
But it will let you know how a 28" Kick will sound.
Recorded with a D112 mounted inside pointed on the mallet strike spot, and an 8" speaker in front, on the resonant side, with a packing blanket over the front of the kick and the 8" speaker.( I put velcro strips on the blanket so I could fasten it around the drum's lug screws to hold it in place.) Full head on the reso side.
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Tim Brown
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my2cents said:
Those are european drums. You can get heads from Remo.
Old Premier drums had some really strange dimensions, like 16 & 1/4" floor toms. I think they were measuring them in metric for some reason.
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Tim Brown
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Here you go.
Here's an 18"x40" Bass drum!
Right now it's going at $102.50
http://cgi.ebay.com/40X18-Ludwig-Co...343755250QQcategoryZ38093QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Tim
Here's an 18"x40" Bass drum!
Right now it's going at $102.50
http://cgi.ebay.com/40X18-Ludwig-Co...343755250QQcategoryZ38093QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Tim Brown
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Here's a 30" Ludwig going for $51!
http://cgi.ebay.com/Ludwig-30-Bass-Drum-WOW_W0QQitemZ7342720849QQcategoryZ38093QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Tim
http://cgi.ebay.com/Ludwig-30-Bass-Drum-WOW_W0QQitemZ7342720849QQcategoryZ38093QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Kasey
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Tim Brown said:
that sounds pretty cool... i was thinking there would be a little more sustain to it though... sort of like a cannon sound. maybe i should consider going even bigger? (no! he dares to suggest it!)
or would you have gotten this sound if you didnt put the pillow in there... i'm liking it though, and ill definetly check out your link.
oh... and that 40" bass drum..... holy shit...
Tim Brown
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Kasey said:
Well there would be if I didn't have it packed with pillows.
Actuaklly, the heads on that are fairly tight. I can do a buzz roll on it with my hands and a pair of sticks.
If I don't put the pillows in there - it's AWESOME sounding, BUT since my whole band always played and recorded in 1 room - the amps cause the front kick head to vibrate constantly....making any recordings we did unusable.
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PhraseMMX
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Here is an idea that might be worth trying:
You could use a 14 x 14" floor tom as your snare drum!
Take the snares / strainers / bottom hoop off a normal snare drum and fix to the bottom of the 14x14. (make sure the snare has the same number of lugs as the floor tom - probably 8 - because most goods snares have 10 lugs but you will find plenty with 8) You will also have to use sand paper to form snare beds on the bottom bearing edge of the floor tom. A snare bed is just a depression in the bearing edge at the point where the snare wires will be. Look at the bottom bearing edge on a wood shell snare drum for reference.
I would suggest using an 18x16 bass or floor tom for your rack tom. Pearl optimount is probably the only tom holder that could support a drum that size I reckon!
There is a Scottish band called "Soarpatrol" that use massive toms mounted on Pearl optimount tom holders. They played recently at a Terry Bozzio drum clinic at the SECC in Glasgow (Soarpatrol were the support act) They have a website but it seems to be down at the moment!
Good luck with the massive kit!
You are completely insane though!
Phrase
You could use a 14 x 14" floor tom as your snare drum!
Take the snares / strainers / bottom hoop off a normal snare drum and fix to the bottom of the 14x14. (make sure the snare has the same number of lugs as the floor tom - probably 8 - because most goods snares have 10 lugs but you will find plenty with 8) You will also have to use sand paper to form snare beds on the bottom bearing edge of the floor tom. A snare bed is just a depression in the bearing edge at the point where the snare wires will be. Look at the bottom bearing edge on a wood shell snare drum for reference.
I would suggest using an 18x16 bass or floor tom for your rack tom. Pearl optimount is probably the only tom holder that could support a drum that size I reckon!
There is a Scottish band called "Soarpatrol" that use massive toms mounted on Pearl optimount tom holders. They played recently at a Terry Bozzio drum clinic at the SECC in Glasgow (Soarpatrol were the support act) They have a website but it seems to be down at the moment!
Good luck with the massive kit!
You are completely insane though!
Phrase
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my2cents
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PhraseMMX said:
that's an excellent idea. the only problem is that 14" depth is a long way for air to travel in order to set the snare wires in motion. still, it's worth trying. i have turned a 13" tom into a snare and it worked pretty well. i had to get a shorter set of snare wires and drill holes in the bottom rim for the snare wire fasteners to pass through. i used a file to dig the snare beds (finished off with sand paper for smoothness). unfortunately it was a (VERY) cheap drum and the lugs basically ate themselves as a result of the high tension and constant beating that all snare drums take. if i ever find some good quality lugs for a decent price i'll probably fix it. it sounded quite good.
Tim Brown
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my2cents said:
The 14"x14" snare will work. it's just like a marching drum. I've used both a 10"x14" Metal field snare, and a 12"x15" Wooden field snare on my kit and had no problems at all with either one - of course, the people in the audience claimed I was taking their heads off with the 12"x15". LOL
Damn, all that work and you could have bought a 13" snare-side hoop for probably about $10!
Tim