Blue Bear Sound's 2nd Mic Shootout...

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Aw,shit Bruce.It is probabaly something to do with this "barbed wire network" as we call it out here in the Oklahoma countryside.Phone service is bad and internet service is even worse.I may try again late tonight when things run a little faster and smoother

Keep up the good work..................L
 
I didn't get a chance to listen to any of the samples. Even if I did it wouldn't mean too much too me. The amount of variability and subjectivity of microphone testing makes it nearly impossible. Bruce knows, and most of you know that it takes quite alot of messing around to place a microphone to its most optimum position. How many times has someone changed studio's and tried to duplicate a tone only to realize the rules get erased everytime you tie your shoes. A tone starts in your head, and you try to manipulate the equipment to best match that tone...there is a mental preconception that drives you to mic a certain way. Yeah, each mic has a certain characteristic, but no two people will decipher or interpret those characteristics the same. What Bruce has provided is a starting point for finding the right mic for the job within his recording environment. Every studio with a decent audio engineer will do this if he expects to function efficiently in his or her job. But if Bruce was to change his facility, he may not come up with same answers, the mic reveals different characterisitcs in different settings. I think that the more mics you have the better off you are, the spice of life is.......
Make yourselves a notebook of your findings, what mic at what distance from what instrument in what room. Figure out what your mic's SPL max is, everyones is different....
I have 2 mics ot home...for my Marshall, its all I need right now, but as I type Im contemplating starting to write and record vocals...So I will have to figure out what mic gives me the sound I want, for my voice....its very personal...the one thing that will drive my choice will be how it captures acoustic guitars as well...

Im convinced that everyone is biased towards what they like!

Peace,
Dennis
 
Thank You, Blue Bear!

Hey Bruce!

Thank you so much for posting sound clips for the rest of us to hear. I thought the disclaimer in your original post was crystal clear, and even with the all the variabilities you mentioned plus the obvious limitations of MP3 files, the clips were still informative, useful, interesting to compare, and fun to listen to!

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It's interesting to me how much of what we actually experience sonically and musically is split between our physical hearing capability and our brains.

For instance, at 52, my hearing is getting worse to the point that I've been researching hearing aids (and the news isn't good, folks). I can't hear the birds chirping in the dawn that my wife hears clearly, I frequently mistake what people say, I felt I needed to quit singing in ensembles awhile back... the usual indications that I'm slowly losing my hearing.

Even so, I still hear differences in recorded sound that younger listeners occasionally miss. I hear differences between Ma's Guarneri and his Stradivarius, for instance. Sometimes, passing by a cheap boombox at the bookstore I will recognize not only the piece but the exact recording on the FM radio within a couple of seconds. I don't mean this as self-praise -- I'm simply amazed by this ability of our minds.

So even with irreparably damaged instruments, my present and past experiences of sound continue to inform my perceptions.

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For those of you patient enough to have read this far, the relevance to this thread is that I hear significant and useful information in the increasing number of sound clips that forum members are sharing with us. I completely understand the argument that brief clips of music compressed to MP3 and played back through $14.95 speakers on my office desktop are meaningless for comparison purposes, but I respectfully disagree.

To me, the Studio Projects C-1, for instance, sounded just like itself from the beginning. I immediately wanted to ask Bruce if he had a Neumann U-87 he could use to add to the demo, to confirm my impression that they both have a distinctive and useful (if unnatural) quality that could in fact be perceived as a bit of compression, or as a forward-sounding but almost flat dryness.

Likewise the clips of the other mics were useful individually and especially in comparison to one another. To those whose initial reaction was to find fault or to dismiss the whole exercise as meaningless, I'd offer this advice: listen through, not to, the sound. There really is something on the other side, whether it's played back on a state-of-the-art rig or a pair of cheap no-brand computer speakers.

Also, depending on the type of music, more and more listeners are going to be hearing recorded music -- at least for the first time -- on their computers as MP3 files. This alone would argue that it is not such a bad idea to hear what a take might sound like online.

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I remember an older recording of a piano sonata that I used to keep as a demo disc. On a normal stereo, it sounded fine. But when played back on a highly accurate full-range system, the pedal and floor-thumping were so loud that no one could resist laughing after about 30 seconds of listening. The producers, who mastered it on 1960s studio "monitors," had never heard the full range of what they recorded.

To play back an MP3 clip on a good system is asking to have an unpleasant experience. There needs to be something of a match, I suspect.

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To Bruce and others, please keep those clips and microphone comparisons coming. I learn a lot from these clips, whatever their limitations, and I'm grateful for the time and energy invested by those of you who post them.

In appreciation,

Mark H.
 
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THANKS BRUCE !

Great post !!!!!!

I found the differences in the tonal colors interesting.

I was surprised that no matter which mic was used,
you could still tell it was the same guitar.

Finally, I was completely shocked at how much I liked the SM57 !

Thanks for your time again.

Sean
 
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