Blue Bear Sound's 2nd Mic Shootout...

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Brother Bruce......

...I, for one and for the record, appreciate your taking the time to do this. I'm still downloading but wanted you to know that, like the guy a few posts up, I don't have access to many mid priced mics and can use all the help i can get for comparison.

I'm actually surprised at some of the ungrateful posts. More should follow Brother Bruce's example in helpfulness or at least refrain for dissing other folks' helpfulness.


Thanks man!!


heylow
Rock Jedi/Indie Snob
www.heylowsoundsystem.net
 
ARGH!!!

Hey Bruce!

I can't get the original zip to work! I downloaded it a couple of times and it downloads all the way but when I go to open it, it tells me that the "header is incorrect."

I got the second one alright. I really want to check out the 160. You didn't change anything did you? I notice everyone else seems to have gotten it ok.:confused: Dammit.....it's me isn't it?! Even your zip file hates me;)




heylow
 
Thanks for all your efforts Bruce. The comparisons were very interesting to listen to. It would be great if you could do a rough vocal comparison - please don't be put off by people not looking at them in the light that was intended!

Oh, and could you post some pics of the waveforms, so I can examine them too! :)
 
Bruce you know I for one appreciate the effort that it took for you to once again try to help and to post an interesting thread.If people took the time to read your post from the begining they would better understand what the comparison was about.If people are critical of the methods used or want to adopt their own criteria they should get off their asses and run their own comparisons!
 
Bruce, my very good friend, as you now know and as I've always known, no good deed goes unpunished. A VERY valiant effort but some people just don't get it.
 
Thanks guys.... it IS frustrating when I posted the "context" right up front, and it is totally ignored by some!

Now I know Alan's annoyed because the C1 didn't "apparently" outshine everything else.... and I've avoided posting any of my own impressions PRECISELY BECAUSE I didn't want to give ANY hint of saying "this or that mic is better."

The truth is, each of those mics, in the proper context - can be useful. There are times when the darkness of the Beyer will be what's needed, or the zinginess of the NT2... the MXL2001 is a horrible mic by my consideration - yet for some sources can obviously give decent results....

As someone pointed out, the bandwidth-limited CrapShack mic could even find some usefulness on a track somewhere....

The comparison's didn't change my opinions on any mics, I now have a better understanding of the color each one has and what it can give me.

The C1 is a fine mic - maybe a bit "placement-picky", but that's not a bad thing.... it sounds good and as I said before will see good use at Blue Bear Sound....

The 4033 is also a fine mic - though I've tried it a couple of times where I thought it might work and it didn't.... and others where it was bang-on.....

No, there was no "winner" -- by design, there wasn't supposed to be... only shades of sonic color.
Bruce
 
Blue Bear Sound said:

Now I know Alan's annoyed because the C1 didn't "apparently" outshine everything else.... and I've avoided posting any of my own impressions PRECISELY BECAUSE I didn't want to give ANY hint of saying "this or that mic is better."
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I have always liked the idea of Alan being part of this BBS.... I am however getting bored and bothered of his constant and offensive headstrong defensiveness over his product... This BBS is not for that...

In another thread I asked Bruce to post some samples of his new C1 and his 4033.... He didn't have to and went out of his way to do it, even futher so by comparing ALL his mics....

Now there are flames flying and people getting all serious....

WOW, Some people are passionate about equipment......and I admire that, but don't confuse rough comparisons with forensic a/b testing....
 
Blue Bear Sound said:

........>>>>The truth is, each of those mics, in the proper context - can be useful>>>>.........

>>>>
No, there was no "winner" -- by design, there wasn't supposed to be... only shades of sonic color.
Bruce
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amen...

(and if we can just get our sm57 to sound "in the proper context" ALL THE TIME....!!!:D :p )
 
voxvendor,
I thought Alan showed a great deal of restraint in his post on this thread...

Imagine what he REALLY wanted to say. :eek:

Queue
 
Queue said:
voxvendor,
I thought Alan showed a great deal of restraint in his post on this thread...

Imagine what he REALLY wanted to say. :eek:

Queue
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:o :rolleyes: :o :( :eek:
 
Supertramp: hooray!

Luckily I know what a couple of these mics (4033, SM57) sound like in this application, so I have some basis for comparing these clips.

I've thought a 57 can be used very effectively on acoustic. Well, here's some proof of that. It just has that familiar sound that reminds me of recordings from a previous era. Fuller, not as chiseled and sparkly. What an awesome mic..

Thanks for this fun little experiment. I'm courious, though if you, Bruce, have mentioned YOUR favorite out of this bunch?

Anyway, glad you chose Supertramp..they deserve a little, well, recognition?
 
Re: Supertramp: hooray!

trew said:
I'm courious, though if you, Bruce, have mentioned YOUR favorite out of this bunch?
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I didn't mention my preference... intentionally! For the reasons I noted a couple of posts ago....

This wasn't a win/lose comparison!

Bruce
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
Now I know Alan's annoyed because the C1 didn't "apparently" outshine everything else.... and I've avoided posting any of my own impressions PRECISELY BECAUSE I didn't want to give ANY hint of saying "this or that mic is better."

Bruce
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Bruce,

You have it all wrong. I am not annoyed at all. I think Ausrock can back me up on this...my position is I am glad you did it, as I was glad Ausrock did his. Despite the outcome, I replied to Ausrock's test the same way I did yours, which is...I don't like these tests.

The outcome is not the issue. The winners or loosers is not the point. I know and Chris knows that the test can become a flame war, and we all know that if you used a different mic pre, guitar, or other variable, all the mics would have sounded different yet again.

I know it is not about who or what is the better mic. I also know several engineers on this thread know the same thing, but unfortunately many on the thread jump to conclusions for maybe the wrong reason.

Anyway Bruce, I really am not annoyed. In fact I am happy because you got one of the C1's at a good deal, and you will have the opportunity to use it and experience the good it offers, as does the other mics. I appreciate the effort you took to do this. I just know as Chris knows what can happens afterwards...:D

As for VoxVendor who's statment was "he is bored and bothered of Alan's constant and offensive headstrong defensiveness over his product.., Hey dude...I did not defend my product, and I take offensive to you saying I did. Mellow out guy and read my post. I defended nothing. I made a post as an engineer...not a manufacturer. What, I have to have you start in on me now too... :mad:

Alan Hyatt
PMI Audio Group
 
my 2 cents

I think that alan is gettin better at posting as a manufacturer and an engineer seperatly.

Also, I like this test because it can help listen for different sounds, so I can figure out which ones I like, how positioning can affect mics, etc. It didn't help pick out a mic, and thats not what it is here for...
 
OK Alan... fair enough... there were a couple of comments in your posts that could have been interpreted in a negative light....

My apologies if that was not the case.

Bruce
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
OK Alan... fair enough... there were a couple of comments in your posts that could have been interpreted in a negative light....

My apologies if that was not the case.

Bruce
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Bruce,

I assure you, it was not :D
 
alanhyatt said:


As for VoxVendor who's statment was "he is bored and bothered of Alan's constant and offensive headstrong defensiveness over his product.., Hey dude...I did not defend my product, and I take offensive to you saying I did. Mellow out guy and read my post. I defended nothing. I made a post as an engineer...not a manufacturer. What, I have to have you start in on me now too... :mad:

Alan Hyatt
PMI Audio Group
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So take offense.... :rolleyes:

"I am Bored and bothered of Alans Contant and offensive headstrong defensiveness over his product"

That was a blanket statement in response to Bruces comment about the feeling I get when I read your posts around this BBS... It was not Purposely directed at your comment on this thread.

Im aloud to offer my thoughts, and Your allowed to call me an asshole for offering them... I can live with that :)

Joe

PS.. No need to further banter about it in front of an audience... If you want to exchange anymore thoughts, email me

adrrecordings@hotmail.com
 
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I wish I could hear the mics,but I can't seem to get a good copy of the zip file.Both winzip and the unzipping utility built into windows xp are telling me the file is corrupt.I have downloaded it 4 times with the same result.Anybody else having this problem?
 
I tested the downloads on Win2k, WinNT and Win95 -- they all work with no problems, both browsers (Netscape and IE)

Bruce
 
Just wanted to thank Bruce for the nice "shootout". For me it was interesting to hear how different mics added different flavour to the track.

If deciding which mic is THE BEST was that simple, I'd be Elvis married to Brad's mum.
 
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