Best mics for my drummers kit on a budget of $300.00

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We're demoing his drums on a minis-disc recorder using a behringer 8 input mixer-I'm gonna be doing all the transferring and efect adding and mixing at myplace on pro tools-What mikes could we get for around $300.00 total that would sound decent in the mix?????Thanks-Pete Ps I don't even know how many ya need for a double bass kit??HELP PLEASE!!!!
 
when you say 8-input do you mean eight preamps or eight channels? it's likely you only have 4pres in which case that's the number you realisticially limited to unless you have a sub-mixer you can use.

also do you mean the kit has two bass drums? you kinda slid that in at the end and it makes a big difference.
 
do you have any mics at all? like even a Shure 58? or a '57 (even better).

I'll assume you have SOME sort of microphone that you at least sing through at practice and hope it's of similar sort to either a '58 or '57.

I'll also assume you have a double kick drumset.

AT Pro 25: $60 new at MF. Get 2.: $120 (both kicks, mic in same spot-wherever it sounds best)

2 SP B-1's: $160. (low cost ld condensors. )

Put your practice vocal mic on the snare.

OH's (B-1's), kicks (AT Pro 25's) and one snare mic. Once in pro tools, duplicate these tracks to a stereo buss. compress the living shit out of them. Mix them back in behind your originals. Pan them the same, everything. Should be punchy and present.

Good luck.

Chris
 
pte3x said:
We're demoing his drums on a minis-disc recorder using a behringer 8 input mixer-I'm gonna be doing all the transferring and efect adding and mixing at myplace on pro tools-What mikes could we get for around $300.00 total that would sound decent in the mix?????Thanks-Pete Ps I don't even know how many ya need for a double bass kit??HELP PLEASE!!!!
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Buy used mics... check ebay and etc.

Two Audio-technical ATM25... for the double kicks
One Shure SM57... for the snare.
Two Oktava MC-012... for the overheads
 
2 ATMPRO25's for kick (2 X $59)
1 SM57 on snare ($79)
2 Oktava MK319's (2 X $50) overheads
 
is there not a problem here with the number of inputs? an eight input behringer mixer only has four pres.
 
noisedude said:
is there not a problem here with the number of inputs? an eight input behringer mixer only has four pres.
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Yeah, if that's so... there could be a problem using 5 mics. Maybe just use the two kick mics and overheads... or if the room sounds good, maybe he could get away with using just a pair of mics out in front of the drum kit.
 
double kick drums are a bitch to get sounding right.
even if you're extra-super-careful to get identical mics setup in identical positions in identical drums with identical skins tuned identically with identical dampening and identical pedals, invariably the drummer will hit differently with one foot than the other, and the drums will sound just weird and different.

better soution is to just get a double-kick pedal and use one kick drum.
 
CMEZ said:
OH's (B-1's), kicks (AT Pro 25's) and one snare mic. Once in pro tools, duplicate these tracks to a stereo buss. compress the living shit out of them. Mix them back in behind your originals. Pan them the same, everything. Should be punchy and present.

Good luck.

Chris
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Just curious, are you saying you dup the Oh's, kick and snare and bus them to a software compressor?? and what compressor?? what's your version of 'compressing the living shit out of them?"
 
it's called the 'new york compression trick' on a thread I found on one of the forums for 'tricks' people use to get fat sounding drums.

since you're in DAW land, yeah, you'd use a software compressor. What you basically do is duplicate the tracks and then send your duplicate tracks to a stereo compressor. Pan them all the same as your original tracks are (i.e. snare and kick center, OH's to wherever you panned them originally). You compress to taste, but keep in mind that you're going to mix them back in with your uncompressed tracks. In the original 'tricks' post, they recommended squashing as much as 10 db, maybe more. Then you mix them back UNDER your uncompressed tracks until it sounds god-like.

Motown used to use a similar trick with vocals to make them stand out in a mix without having to bring the level up.

I've tried the drum thing, it's pretty cool.

Chris
 
Not a bad little trick, except in my case I get mixed results because:

I'm recording into a Mackie mixer, and from there I'm going into my DAW with a 2 track master because my audio interface is only 2 in and 2 out....

When compressing a 2 track master that much, it seems I lose a lot of the dynamic range of the cymbals, and they sound a little crunchy to me....

One thing I did find though is that if you take a 2 track drum master and load as a sample into the NNXT sampler in REASON, then run that through the SCREAM 4 effects unit and use the "tape" or "vinyl" presets, it sound really warm and punchy without losing too much dynamic range.....
 
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