Best Equipment - Recording Acoustics/Vocals

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Hi,
My boyfriend has expressed an interest in recording his own music using our computer. I'd like to buy some of the gear as a Christmas gift, but I don't know where to get started. This is where I'm hoping all of knowledgeable musicians can help!
He would be recording with his Taylor acoustic guitar, and he would want to record his vocals as well.

What all do I need to get a home set-up started without breaking the bank? This may be a passing phase for him, so I'm not sure that I want to invest an arm and a leg in software that we won't use next year.

I have a PC using Windows XP.

Any input is appreciated!
Thanks,
Amber
 
I'd recommend searching the forums (with the search feature) for threads about budget mics, getting started with recording, recording guitars/vocals, etc. This sort of thing has been discussed thouroughly many, many times.

Good luck.
 
Your boyfriend is a lucky guy. :)

How much are you willing to spend on him? Our answer to your question depends greatly on your answer to that question.

G.
 
Welcome to the forums...this is a good place to start. You'll find a lot of info here covering the spectrum from beginner/hobbiest to pro. I suspect that your call for help has gone unanswered so far just because you've called out for a one-stop answer to a rather complicated question. I will show a few vendor links just as references to show you what some of the cost may be like. Don't jump out there and start shopping yet! Also, many vendors will let you return the products except mics and open software for a full refund up to 30 or 45 days. Check out their return and exchange policies. Although this close to the holidays, you might not get what you're looking for in time...you might be resigned to visiting the local Guitar Center...anyways....

Important questions...does your computer have a firewire port? If not, does it have spare or open PCI slots? More computer specification would be good to have as well (CPU speed and RAM). Most importantly, what's your budget? You said that this might be a passing phase so to me this implies you don't want to break the bank. You also mentioned that he plays guitar and sings. Possibly doing both at the same time I'm guessing.

The basics require a mic, cable, mic preamp, and an audio card in the computer (assuming you're wanting to record to the PC) and finally, some sort of recording software.

Starting with the mic(s)...I'm thinking two would be nice but it can be done with one...one would get you started. IF it were me...on a tight budget for two mics I might go for a package like this http://www.guitarvision.com/mf/mf_frameset.htm search for Product #273168 . A better idea would be to post a new question on the forums in the microhopone section asking something like "help me buy a mic or two as a gift to be used for acoustic guitar and male vocals for a recording beginner" and see what comes back.

An item I overlooked was something to hold the mics up...as a guitarist myself, I prefer boom mic stands. The cheap ones will work and if treated gently will last for some time and serve the purpose but be warned, the quality stuff runs up in price real fast. Again, on a budget yet functional http://www.guitarvision.com/mf/mf_frameset.htm search for Product #452061. I'm gentle with my stuff and I've worn a few of these out in my time.

Microhpone cables...one for each mic if you use both mics at the same time...just search for mic cables...the tech description will show XLR connectors on both ends (one male and one female). I mention this because there are some with TRS or other connectors on them. Prices will vary but for entry level purposes...cheap cables will work for the first time go-round http://www.guitarvision.com/mf/mf_frameset.htm search for Product #361707.

Mic pre amp...this is where things get crazy real fast. It's primary function is to amplify the weak signal output of the microphone so that the signal can be used by a recording device like a tape machine or computer. Many mic preamps also act as a power supply for the microphone (phantom power). Not all mics need this but many do. For the time being lets just forget the amp because there are all-in-one devices which incorporate mic pre amplifiers with audio cards (the last next item on the list).

Audio interface aka audio card. As in the case of the mic preamps, there are a lot of choices and options out there. This is the final stage for the audio as it goes into the computer for storage. IF it were me, and my computer had the minimum configuration requirements and a firewire port, I might look at the M-Audio 410 http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=rec/search/detail/base_pid/701385/ which will serve as the audio card, micpreamp and phantom power source. You could also consider the Presonus Inspire http://www.guitarvision.com/mf/mf_frameset.htm search for Product #241483 which "claims" to do the same and includes recording software. IF you don't have a firewire port, these devices won't work...we'll start talking PCI type cards which opens up a bunch of other possibilities.

Lastly, the recording software. There are freeware products out there...it's possible that you could get by at first without spending a dime but, better than that, depending upon the soundcard you get, often times a simple yet useable product is bundled with the soundcard. The software options go from simply to way over-the-top. It facilitates recording, playing back and mixing and other wise manipulating the recordings.

These are the barebone basics of what's needed and I've only posed a few of the many choices out there. Other people in these forums may have other ideas and ways of doing things which may be better suited to your needs. Answer the questions at the top and we can take it from there. I would also strongly urge you to read this http://www.homerecording.com/newbies.html and also follow the links through out the article. There is also a useful search function which will help you look up even more info.

Welcome...hope we can help.
 
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If you're unsure if he'll continue on with it, I'd just by him a 4 track. You can get them in a kit with monitors, mic, and headphones for like $299. Now this is by far not top of the line gear, but we all have to start somewhere. He will be able to make decent recordings with a 4 track..............the Beatles did! (well.....they had George Martin....and Nuemmans......and so on! :) )
 
thanks for all the info you provided... I now feel like I have some good info to research. To answer some of your questions:

- Max Amount I want to spend: Less than $500 (is that possible?)
- Computer Details: 512mb ram (supports 1 gig if I need more), Pentium 4 processor, 4 USB slots, 1 IEEE 1394 (FireWire), and audio card

Does that help?
I will take your advice and search the forums for more info as well. :)
 
I'd probably recomend picking up the Presonus Inspire 1394 to go into that firewire port. In terms of mics If he is looking at recording both at the same time, there is the MXL 604 which should work on guitar in either its omni or cardinoid head. Then for vox something like a MXL V67 or Studio Projects C1. That brings you right around $500 with the C1 or $400 with the V67, and you would still need mic stands and cables. Don't skimp on cables, I went with $20 canare cable and I couldn't be happier. They come in all sorts of colors which is quite handy. The only thing about Canare is you usually have to find someone to make the cables for you or make them yourself.
 
Amber,

Here's how I'd spend the $500 for a guitar player/composer who wants to record:

- Tascam us122 USB interface w/Cubase SX recording software: $199
- Audio Technica AT3035 microphone: $199

That brings you to $400. If he doesn't already have a microphone cable and mic stand, you can use about half of the remaining money for those.

If he's already got that stuff, you can either use remaining hundred bucks for an additional mic in the form of a Shure SM58 for his vocals.

If he's already got a vocal mic, then you can keep the extra money for yourself,as what you're already giving him is blockbuster stuff for the price already and a more-than-worthy Christmas package.

G.
 
Thanks for everyone's input! I really, really appreciate it!

Happy Holidays!
 
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not-a-musician said:
Hi Glen,
Where can I find the Cubase SX recording software that cheap? A quick google search displayed prices ranging from $499 and up!
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Amber
Amber,

Sorry, that was a small typo on my part. I meant to say Cubase LE, not SX. Cubase LE is a smaller, but still very capable, version of CubaseSX, and it comes bundled free with the Tascam box. You get both the box and the software as a package for $199.

G.
 
Thanks for clarifying! I found it online (free shipping too and no tax!) woo hoo!
 
Let us know what you go with and how it turns out...k?

thanks
 
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