Speeddemon
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I ain't dissin tha Bear, foo'!NYMorningstar said:
Maybe you is gonna re-read this part I wrote:
Maybe you is gonna re-read this part I wrote:
Middleman
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Way back when the TR 808 and other such fake drum units became available it was years before these cheesy sounding effects found their way into the mainstream. They were then used for years as background beats for every kind of of music except country. Prince comes to mind here.
I think eventually the big guys will use amp modeling, it just takes time for us all to lower our standards to the point we accept these sounds as normal for music.
I prefer an amp sound over modeling but history has shown that gimicky sounds eventually make their way into mainstream music. Probably because of endorsement fees.
I think eventually the big guys will use amp modeling, it just takes time for us all to lower our standards to the point we accept these sounds as normal for music.
I prefer an amp sound over modeling but history has shown that gimicky sounds eventually make their way into mainstream music. Probably because of endorsement fees.
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NobleSavage
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NYMorningstar said:
That's the thing that keeps killing me in this debate.
It's like saying a Fender is always gonna be better than a ESP.
A pepperoni pizza is always gonna be better than a cheese.
An action movie is always gonna be better than a comedy.
It's nothing more than opinion and personal taste. It is NOT a hard fact.
Since this was brought up earlier: I've been playing for 30 years. I can tell the difference between amps, effects pedals, pickups, and even the type of batteries in my stomp boxes. And I can tell a difference between a sim and a 'real' amp. I have never said that I couldn't. But, in this age of numetal, acousti-rap, digpunk and every other genre of music, I'm seeing and hearing that most of the current crop of musicians are not trapped in a lockstep, one way of doing it way of thinking. They dont give a rat's ass about having vintage gear or finding the perfect room to mic something in - they are going for synthetic sounds that are wholly original. Which makes amp sims a perfect tool in this day and age, both sonically and creatively.
So, to YOU, a real mic and amp combo might always be best, but YOU are not God or the final arbiter of what is 'best' anymore than I am or anyone else. But, if you are working toward getting your music out to a large audience, you might wanna check out the sonics chosen by those that already are out there making waves.
p.s. - the sound that Waters used on WTF was indeed POD pro, and it was a very modern, completely created to be non-tubish or traditional sound. It was something new, not the same old amp sound, that's why so many people disliked it. I thought it was extremely cool, because it was different. I have always had a soft spot for leaders and groundbreakers.
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NYMorningstar
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Sorry, but your are adding your own flavor to my words and comparing apples to oranges. These are my interpretations to your situations:
On the lighter side there is an old saying :
You can tell the difference between the men and the boys by the size of their toys.
I'm saying a Fender is always going to be better than a simulated Fender.NobleSavage said:
I'm saying a pepperoni pizza is always going to be better made with real pepperoni.
I'm saying an action movie is always going to be better if shot with a digital camcorder instead of a digital camera.
You're right here as you make it painfully obvious some people just choose to ignore the hard facts.
Thanks for reminding me but when I've got nothing to say my lips are sealed.
This was one of my points!
NYMorningstar said:
On the lighter side there is an old saying :
You can tell the difference between the men and the boys by the size of their toys.
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Kwality
I have had a vamp for a few months.
It's nice but the problem is probably the same with any of the sims.
You just don't get that feel that you get from the real deal.
I was fortunate enough in a past life to own a Boogie..........I still can't get the vamp to feedback for shit. (I know I know!)
But for the money it puts alot of sounds in your hand and nobody has to listen to you play.
It's nice but the problem is probably the same with any of the sims.
You just don't get that feel that you get from the real deal.
I was fortunate enough in a past life to own a Boogie..........I still can't get the vamp to feedback for shit. (I know I know!)
But for the money it puts alot of sounds in your hand and nobody has to listen to you play.
crawdad
Dammit, Jim, Shut Up!
Play a tube amp for years then switch to a modeler. You'll know what it feels like to be neutered!
Actually, you feel cheated out of your sound, because its always gonna be less.
Yeah, yeah, yeah--they have their uses and there are some cool sounds you can get. No argument there. But think about it. When a big rock act goes to cut a CD, do they bring in Fenders, Marshalls and Vox amps or do they bring Pods, V-amps and the Genesis and say screw the real amps? Do you think maybe there is a reason they bring the real deal? I do.
Ya want convenience and a way to keep the neighbors happy, get a simulator. If you want the best you can get, use the damn amps!
Actually, you feel cheated out of your sound, because its always gonna be less.
Yeah, yeah, yeah--they have their uses and there are some cool sounds you can get. No argument there. But think about it. When a big rock act goes to cut a CD, do they bring in Fenders, Marshalls and Vox amps or do they bring Pods, V-amps and the Genesis and say screw the real amps? Do you think maybe there is a reason they bring the real deal? I do.
Ya want convenience and a way to keep the neighbors happy, get a simulator. If you want the best you can get, use the damn amps!
Speeddemon
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FWIW, on the Digitech site there are quite some big shot artists mentioned that use the Genesis 3, either live or for recording. Dave Ellefson (formally bassplayer with Megadeth) and the guitarists from Quiet Riot, Britney Spears, Endo and King Diamond use 'em as well.
Yeah, I know they got endorsements and all, but still, if the unit REALLY sucked they wouldn't use it, now would they?
I also visited www.v-amp.com They have some samples there, some of which were pretty impressive.
Yeah, I know they got endorsements and all, but still, if the unit REALLY sucked they wouldn't use it, now would they?
I also visited www.v-amp.com They have some samples there, some of which were pretty impressive.
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NobleSavage
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NYMorningstar said:
I thought Weezer was a pretty big act.
hmmmmmm
Wide Awake
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crawdad said:
If you read the guitar magazines you will see that modeling and amp simulations are being used by a lot of major acts. They may only use them on a coulpe of tracks but still they are used more and more these days. Lots of great classic guitar tracks were also recorded direct into the mixing board.
I think nothing compares to a tube amp, but I also have an open mind because there's a world of creative possibilties out there.
A friend of mine just got a THD Univalve on Saturday and I'm going to get a chance to play with it soon. The Mesa Recitifier Direct Recording Amp looks very interesting too. Maybe the best direct recording devices won't end up using models at all, or will be a hybrid of modeling and tubes. I'm keeping an open mind on these things.
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