Behringer UB802 Recording/Headphone Question

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Thanks for the replies!

Yea Ive been playing with it all night and Im able to record just the vocals, but I cant monitor them at the same time. On my soundcard I have 2 RCA in, 2 RCA, and a little "Breakout" type feature that gives me 1 SPDIF IN, 1 SPDIF OUT, and MIDI I/O. Is it possible to maybe utilize any of those connections to give me what I want?
What software? 'cause most allow you to monitor the input. This will allow you to hear both recorded and new recording track together in headphones/monitors.

EDIT: Even Audacity allows this: Edit, preferences, and click both "Play other tracks..." and "Software playthrough"
 
Ok I am going to try it like you said but first let me make exactly sure I am understanding exactley what kind of adapters I need to get; i need 2 male1/4' phone plug to female RCA and rout them to the left and rightmain outs is that right?

These are the ones that I have.http://www.radioshack.com/product/i...e+Type/Audio+adapters&fbc=1&parentPage=family
After you pointed out that the tape out runs parallel to the mains I hooked it up that way to test it. The tape outs worked the same way as the main outs and didn't loop back. This leads me to believe that one or more of your settings in the M-Audio control panel or software may be incorrect.
 
These are the ones that I have.http://www.radioshack.com/product/i...e+Type/Audio+adapters&fbc=1&parentPage=family
After you pointed out that the tape out runs parallel to the mains I hooked it up that way to test it. The tape outs worked the same way as the main outs and didn't loop back. This leads me to believe that one or more of your settings in the M-Audio control panel or software may be incorrect.
You shouldn't need those adapters 'cause, like you said, it works the same. Tape outs are basically just main outs. They are just second main outs, meant for recording, leaving the main main outs free for whatever else.
 
You shouldn't need those adapters 'cause, like you said, it works the same. Tape outs are basically just main outs. They are just second main outs, meant for recording, leaving the main main outs free for whatever else.
Exactamundo
that is what I thought as well the ins and outs should not be connected
but what is puzzling me is how the sent signal from the compiter is looping into sent signal from the mixer:eek: it is puzzling the shit out of me:confused:

I have a large powered mixer that I am going to hook up and see if it does the same thing with it if it does it is probaplysomething to do with the interface if it don't that means the UB802 has issues
 
These are the ones that I have.http://www.radioshack.com/product/i...e+Type/Audio+adapters&fbc=1&parentPage=family
After you pointed out that the tape out runs parallel to the mains I hooked it up that way to test it. The tape outs worked the same way as the main outs and didn't loop back. This leads me to believe that one or more of your settings in the M-Audio control panel or software may be incorrect.

I have checked all of the settings and they are spot on.

do this test for me if you dont mind...route your L&R tape ins and outs to your interface, then play something on on your media player and listen to it through your head phones out while just making a voice recording on a track then play it back and see if you hear only your voice or is the song you played also looping onto the track?
 
I have checked all of the settings and they are spot on.

do this test for me if you dont mind...route your L&R tape ins and outs to your interface, then play something on on your media player and listen to it through your head phones out while just making a voice recording on a track then play it back and see if you hear only your voice or is the song you played also looping onto the track?

OK I did the test just as you asked and all that was recorded was my voice.
 
Exactamundo
that is what I thought as well the ins and outs should not be connected
but what is puzzling me is how the sent signal from the compiter is looping into sent signal from the mixer:eek: it is puzzling the shit out of me:confused:

I have a large powered mixer that I am going to hook up and see if it does the same thing with it if it does it is probaplysomething to do with the interface if it don't that means the UB802 has issues
I bet it because you have the tape to mix button pressed, or something wired wrong.
 
I have the exact same mixer and an m-audio 2496 soundcard. Run the 802 main outs>soundcard inputs. soundcard outs>mixers tape inputs. Press the tape to ctrl room button but NOT the tape to mix button. Now through the headphones you can hear anything plugged into the mixer channels as well as the outputs from the soundcard.

Hey guys, thanks again for all the help. I have my setup exactly like this and Im not able to record JUST the vocals. I keep getting either a.) Vocals mixed with instrumental or b.) the vocals but without hearing them in the headphones. And in case it makes a difference I use Audition 2.0. I looked in the Preferences and didnt come across any "Monitor Input" type features. I'll try playing with it again and post what I come up with. Thanks again
 
Hey everybody, I got it! Ocnor was right, but... I wasn't aware in my M-Audio Control Panel for my soundcard I needed to have the "Monitor Mixer" option selected. Once I clicked that everything worked perfect. Anyways, you guys have been a great help, I really do appreciate everyone's posts. Thanks
 
Hey everybody, I got it! Ocnor was right, but... I wasn't aware in my M-Audio Control Panel for my soundcard I needed to have the "Monitor Mixer" option selected. Once I clicked that everything worked perfect. Anyways, you guys have been a great help, I really do appreciate everyone's posts. Thanks

I was just getting ready to ask if you had monitor mixer selected. I'm glad that you have it working now.
 
I have checked all of the settings and they are spot on.

do this test for me if you dont mind...route your L&R tape ins and outs to your interface, then play something on on your media player and listen to it through your head phones out while just making a voice recording on a track then play it back and see if you hear only your voice or is the song you played also looping onto the track?
I can tell you before you even try it, 'cause i used to have that setup, that if you connect it all correctly then it won't happen.

You shouldn't be able to hear your voice in the headphones until you choose to monitor the vocals in your software. Unless the tape to ctrl room button allows the inputs to be routed also. But even if this is so then, unless you have the tape to mix button pressed, then it should only record the vocals.

Do this test for me: Connect your monitors to the main outs of your mixer, and outputs of the soundcard to the tape ins. Have everything else off, set to zero, and disconnected. Play music on the pc, and you shouldn't hear it in the monitors unless you press the tape to mix button. Unpress this button, and press the tape to ctrl room button, and you shouldn't hear the music in the monitors. But put on your headphones, and turn up the ctrl room knob, and you'll hear the music in your headphones.

Now plug in your mic and you should hear this on it's own in the monitors(watch out for feedback, ouch :eek::p), and maybe not in the headphones. If you do hear it in the headphones, then great, there's still nothing to worry about. If not, great also. Now connect the tape outs to the soundcard inputs, and choose to monitor the vocals in the software. Now, if you couldn't hear the vocals in the headphones before, you should now.

Everything should be working fine, and you can connect the monitors to back to the ctrl room outs.

Like jjsellers89 said, (s)he managed to record the vocals and hear the recorded track in the headphones(without it being rerecorded), so it is obviously all connected up right. I believe the only thing missing, is that jjsellers89 has not chosen to monitor the input(vocals) in the software.

I have explained how to do this is protools(I button) and audacity(edit, preferences, choose "Play other tracks..." and "Software playthrough"). In Cubase, it is the button beside the record enable which looks like a horn(if you hover over is says monitor). The will be an equivalent in most, if not all, modern recording software.
 
Hey guys, thanks again for all the help. I have my setup exactly like this and Im not able to record JUST the vocals. I keep getting either a.) Vocals mixed with instrumental or b.) the vocals but without hearing them in the headphones. And in case it makes a difference I use Audition 2.0. I looked in the Preferences and didnt come across any "Monitor Input" type features. I'll try playing with it again and post what I come up with. Thanks again
You have adobe audition, i was talking about audacity(a free software).

I will google how to do it in adobe for you, but you need to learn to search for yourself.

"- Press Alt+7 to display the Level Meters (You problably have them displayed already?)
- Right click with your mouse on the Level Meters and choose Monitor Record Level"

If this doesn't work, just google "audition 2.0 monitor input"
 
Hey everybody, I got it! Ocnor was right, but... I wasn't aware in my M-Audio Control Panel for my soundcard I needed to have the "Monitor Mixer" option selected. Once I clicked that everything worked perfect. Anyways, you guys have been a great help, I really do appreciate everyone's posts. Thanks
Ahh good, glad you sorted it. :D
 
OK I did the test just as you asked and all that was recorded was my voice.

OK Thanks oncor

I at this point don't know whats up but what I use it for this is really no big deal anyway, however I would still like to know why it is doing that:confused:
I really don,t think the adapters are going to make a difference though

it has to be in the mixer though I am almost positive of it.
 
I can tell you before you even try it, 'cause i used to have that setup, that if you connect it all correctly then it won't happen.

You shouldn't be able to hear your voice in the headphones until you choose to monitor the vocals in your software. Unless the tape to ctrl room button allows the inputs to be routed also. But even if this is so then, unless you have the tape to mix button pressed, then it should only record the vocals.

Do this test for me: Connect your monitors to the main outs of your mixer, and outputs of the soundcard to the tape ins. Have everything else off, set to zero, and disconnected. Play music on the pc, and you shouldn't hear it in the monitors unless you press the tape to mix button. Unpress this button, and press the tape to ctrl room button, and you shouldn't hear the music in the monitors. But put on your headphones, and turn up the ctrl room knob, and you'll hear the music in your headphones.

Now plug in your mic and you should hear this on it's own in the monitors(watch out for feedback, ouch :eek::p), and maybe not in the headphones. If you do hear it in the headphones, then great, there's still nothing to worry about. If not, great also. Now connect the tape outs to the soundcard inputs, and choose to monitor the vocals in the software. Now, if you couldn't hear the vocals in the headphones before, you should now.

Everything should be working fine, and you can connect the monitors to back to the ctrl room outs.

Like jjsellers89 said, (s)he managed to record the vocals and hear the recorded track in the headphones(without it being rerecorded), so it is obviously all connected up right. I believe the only thing missing, is that jjsellers89 has not chosen to monitor the input(vocals) in the software.

I have explained how to do this is protools(I button) and audacity(edit, preferences, choose "Play other tracks..." and "Software playthrough"). In Cubase, it is the button beside the record enable which looks like a horn(if you hover over is says monitor). The will be an equivalent in most, if not all, modern recording software.
i did your test and everything checked out right up to the point I tried to record a vocal track while listening to a previously recorded track and monitoring my vocals through my head phones simontaneously.
when the vocal track is played back both the vocals and the previously recorded track is heard on the vocal track, Now....If I choose to listen to the play back of the previously recorded track and not monitoring the vocals while recording the vocals to the track, all that is heard on the vocal track is the vocals but as soon as i try to monitor the vocals and the playback simontaneously the recording heard on the vocal track,
it is like when trying to monitor both pre recorded track and the current track loops the 2 signals together some way.
I dont know, it makes no sense to me and I am tired of screwing with it

I have Roland VS 2000 workstation that I use to do all of my serious business on.:cool:

thanks for trying to help me figure out what is going on though
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Oncor and Pandamonk
thanks for hanging in here for so long to help me try to get this setup working right. It has really got me puzzled to why this thing for some reason is creating an open circuit:confused:
just for shits and kicks I am going to upgrade to the UB1202 which all these stores are trying to clear out for 70 bucks a pop.
if that one does the same thing I will hace reason to believe that the open circuit is coming from the interface.:confused:

but my suspicions is that it is in the mixer.
 
i did your test and everything checked out right up to the point I tried to record a vocal track while listening to a previously recorded track and monitoring my vocals through my head phones simontaneously.
when the vocal track is played back both the vocals and the previously recorded track is heard on the vocal track, Now....If I choose to listen to the play back of the previously recorded track and not monitoring the vocals while recording the vocals to the track, all that is heard on the vocal track is the vocals but as soon as i try to monitor the vocals and the playback simontaneously the recording heard on the vocal track,
it is like when trying to monitor both pre recorded track and the current track loops the 2 signals together some way.
I dont know, it makes no sense to me and I am tired of screwing with it

I have Roland VS 2000 workstation that I use to do all of my serious business on.:cool:

thanks for trying to help me figure out what is going on though
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So you tried connecting the monitors from the main outs, and could only hear vocals, but could hear both vocals and instruments in the headphones? Then what you hear in the monitors is what should be recorded on the vocal track.

If you try it on the monitors and get both, then somethings still wrong. Keep trying until you only have the vocals in the monitors, and can hear the instruments in the headphones. If you get this, everything is setup right. Once you have this, you know all you have to do is be able to monitor the input in the software to hear the vocals in the headphones. Once this works, and you can still only hear vocals in the monitors, then you know when you try to record, you will only get vocals.
 
Oncor and Pandamonk
thanks for hanging in here for so long to help me try to get this setup working right. It has really got me puzzled to why this thing for some reason is creating an open circuit:confused:
just for shits and kicks I am going to upgrade to the UB1202 which all these stores are trying to clear out for 70 bucks a pop.
if that one does the same thing I will hace reason to believe that the open circuit is coming from the interface.:confused:

but my suspicions is that it is in the mixer.
I doubt a new mixer will make a difference, but for 70 bucks, go for it. :D
 
Oncor and Pandamonk
thanks for hanging in here for so long to help me try to get this setup working right. It has really got me puzzled to why this thing for some reason is creating an open circuit:confused:
just for shits and kicks I am going to upgrade to the UB1202 which all these stores are trying to clear out for 70 bucks a pop.
if that one does the same thing I will hace reason to believe that the open circuit is coming from the interface.:confused:

but my suspicions is that it is in the mixer.

Rather than buy another mixer you might be better off buying a preamp like the M-Audio Audio Buddy and using the UB802 as a headphone amp. That's mainly how I run mine as the Audio Buddy's pre's are much less muddy than the UB802's.
 
Rather than buy another mixer you might be better off buying a preamp like the M-Audio Audio Buddy and using the UB802 as a headphone amp. That's mainly how I run mine as the Audio Buddy's pre's are much less muddy than the UB802's.
Rather than the audio buddy, folk out a little more and get a DMP3, which is much higher rated.
 
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