Behringer is at it again...

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alright... I consider music an extension of myself, and I'm totally sure that a design scheme has nothing to do with that... If anything those bigger companies should be flattered that another one tries to live up and follow in its foot steps... Im sure u wouldn't tell ur little brother to stop following you around and copying u. Or would you? And if you guys consider this miniscule thing stealing why don't u go put a trademark on the way u design ur house, cause god forbid you would want to see someone with the same or similar layout as you all. So what if theyre stealing? I bet the guy that chose to steal all these layout is making hella more money than anyone on this bbs. Good for him.
 
QUOTE:..........."Listen... everyone bashing behringer SHOULD know that their goal is not to make top of the line equipment"

That's about the one correct thing you said, BUT Behringer are only interested in two things........THEMSELVES and MAKING MONEY.............to them, the consumer is of little or no consequence unless they are making a buck from them, the service support (or lack thereof) from both Beh., and their agents is eveidence enough of that.

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B2031

people often say the Behrinegr Truth 2031 are a copy of the HR824 ... I never understood why. And now I just saw for the first time the Genelec 1031 ... it turns out THIS is the original. same vertical slots, same square tweeter with rounded edges ...

I guess people don't even bother looking anymore - Behringer once copied Mackie so they must have done it again ... what BS
 
darrin_h2000 said:
I am finding this thread a bit tiresome, now is the time on Sprockets when we dance. Do..de..doo...do..de..doo...:o
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Vould you like to touch my monkey? Touch him! Love him! Liebe meine abst-monkey.

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behringer

I don't see anybody out there bitchin' about all the Strat & Tele copies. Fact is, there is a market for this stuff & somebody will fill the demand...period!
 
the irony...

It’s ironic that the victim product of this thread is called the Swizz-Army(which is, by the way, Trademarked), a perfect example or reverse marketing. But nobody seems to bitch about that even tough it is more a case of theft than the product itself. We should sent this thread to Swiss Army Brands, Inc. They might get a good laugh out of it. Or maybe they’s sue a “poor mom and pop operation” for using the name that took them decades to build, Wait they can’t do that, they spell the name with Z’s not S’s, those clever bastards.

Does anyone start to see my point yet. Good.

Speaking from an engineering point of view, there is nothing proprietary about the Swizz Army Cable Tester, it’s technology that has been around for decades, ask any telephone repair person. If you open it up you will see a lot of parts that are patented(chips and such), but not by Ebtech(Sound Enhancements, Inc), but by companies like Motorolla, AMD and such. Thy have been selling their chips to the Medical industry, and Military since they have been around. Oh by the way, they also sell them to Ebtech, Behringer, and anyone else who is looking to buy them.

Radio Shack has sold some sort a cable tester for as long as I can remember, the current model is somewhat less sophisticated then the Swizz/Behr but it works great, and has a lifetime warranty. It’s called the Cable Detective and it cost $35.00.

Reverse Engineering is nothing new or illegal, the car you drive, the PC you are reading this thread on, the toilet you sit(did I misspell that?) on are all examples of it. 70% of consumer products are made from off the shelf parts which makes the almost impossible to patent, here or anywhere else on earth. 20% are built on expired patents, the rest, well those are the true strokes of genius and they should be applauded loudly. Some of us may no be able to buy them for a few years because they cost to much, but they should be applauded.

As far as the look of the Unit, it is a great layout so why not stick with it. They can’t sue you for the connectors, switches and LEDs, bezides, it’s a diferent color zcheme.

So if your budget permits spending 129.95 for a Swizz-Army cable tester, I salute you, buy American.
If not, pick up a CT100 for around $45, use it in good health. The Chinese teenagers that put them together will be thankful.

Just remember, because it is assembled in the US does not mean that the components are made in the US.

I always make it a point to buy products that are made in the US as much as possible, but it’s getting harder by the day

If The makers of Swizz-Army did not feel the need to be competitive in the past, they will now, and if they don't, well then they can change the spelling to ZZ's but they are still SS's.
 
sibleypeck said:
That's the first sensible post I've read in this thread.
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No doubt.

If someone comes up with a new idea, patent it. If they are afraid of someone copying the layout of their case, get a design patent.

Awww... Are lawsuits too expensive? NOT. Many firms will GLADLY take such a lawsuit on CONTINGENCY ALONE. Zero costs to the original engineer. Especially because wilfull infringement results in TRIPLE the damages. So not only do you get an injunction enforced by the ITC, you get plenty of moolah to put in your pockets even after the attorneys are paid.


Geeze, this "consumer vigilanteism" is silliness.
 
"That's the first sensible post I've read in this thread."


If you've got a cactus shoved up your arse. :o

That's a Behringer toob cactus isn't it? How's it treating you?

Anyway if Ebtech won't defend themselves that's their problem.

What I object to is Behringer's email response. I'm not interested in a company that works like that.

By the way, Rolls came out with a cheap cable tester too, and at least they had enough class to change the layout/look of the thing.

-Jett
 
I didn't say it ABSOLVES Beh(dead)ringer - I just said it was sensible.

crisdhunter makes a strong argument, and does so objectively. I find that refreshing.

I wouldn't buy Behringer because they look too much like toys. That the company is satified with that look belies what lies beneath.
 
I'm not cheap I'm thrifty

I'm all about getting cheaper stuff, I'm broke. I could care less about how the company does buisness as long as they arent working 12 year old asian kids to death for 15 cents a day, I'll consider the quality to price ratio and buy the better deal. Hats off to Behringer. I just put a Behringer sticker on my piece of crap car just to make you mad. (right next to my Jesus fish)
 
I just tatooed "Behringer" across my forehead just to make myself mad. :D


Here's an analogy:

A girl tells a guy she's on birth control when she's not. She engages in sinful promescuety and gets pregnant. She then tries to blame the guy for her situation.

Even then, the girl has more grounds to stand on than a company blaming Behringer for copying a design that the company did not bother protecting as intellectual property.
 
Re: I'm not cheap I'm thrifty

Modus said:
I'm all about getting cheaper stuff, I'm broke. I could care less about how the company does buisness as long as they arent working 12 year old asian kids to death for 15 cents a day, I'll consider the quality to price ratio and buy the better deal. Hats off to Behringer. I just put a Behringer sticker on my piece of crap car just to make you mad. (right next to my Jesus fish)
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Hey Genius. Behringer is working 12 year old Asian kids to death for 15 cents a day. All their shit is manufactured in Beijing.
 
All their shit is manufactured in Beijing.
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As are most of the low-priced condenser mics, by Studio Projects, SE Electronics, 797 Audio, MXL, the list goes on and on.

Just because they're manufactured in Beijing, that doesn't mean that they use 12-year old kids. You realize there are over a billion people in China right? Do you think there is a shortage of able-bodied adult workers? I suggest you look into it a little before you say something like that.
 
"As far as the look of the Unit, it is a great layout so why not stick with it. They can’t sue you for the connectors, switches and LEDs, bezides, it’s a diferent color zcheme. "

There are cut and dry patent infringements and then there are infirngements which are not technically illegal but still stink like yo momma's booty (not your mother personally, crisdhunter). this is one of those cases. Ebtech designed that product. From the ground up. Probably took awhile. Probably took out loans and stuck their collective asses out because they designed a functional, good looking unit. Behringer took 2 seconds, looked at it said "hell, let's just use their design". And anyone that says it's not a rip off not only has a cactus up their ass but little baby ones in their eyeballs.

I have a Behringer ECM8000. I was going to get another one to have a stereo pair. Once i saw this thread, i was torn between doing the cheap thing, or getting another manufacturer's stereo pair, for much more. $45 vs $200. Let me just tell you, I'm $200 poorer, but i have my concience intact.

Everyone has different ethics. Some people will just say "let the courts decide". Some people will look at the evidence themselves and render their own verdict. That's why we have free choice.

Guilty as charged, sentence is they are not getting any of my hard earned money so they can rip off other companies.

Think about it. What if you had designed something and someone else came along and ripped it off. The law is shady, you dn't have the money to battle them. How does that make you feel? What if that happened to your brother, parents, or company you work for? You would be singing a much different tune.

That's just how this chump from La Plata looks at it....
 
You make some good points NoFO. I don’t advocate copyright or patent infringement. On the same token, I will not be taken advantage of by some companies that have bad marketing ethics. I have been for the past several years in the engineering an manufacturing field, diagnostic and testing equipment to be more specific. The reason I wrote my first post on this or any thread is that I can associate with the product that started this debate.

It would take me, or any other person with a electronic engineering background roughly, 20 hours of R&D, maybe $20 worth of parts & materials(of the shelf) to build a prototype cable testing unit that can check up to 9 lead cables. A unit like this would probably end up with a mass production cost(in the US) of about $30.00 per unit. Remember this is not new technology, they have been around for quite some time. If I marketed this unit for a list price of $189 you would call me a thief. And you’d be right. In most consumer markets I’d be undersold and I’d be stuck with a lot of over stock. That is except in the Pro Audio Market. Being that most of us on this forum are artists(or frustrated artists, such as myself), we adhere to an entire different set of values than the rest of the world. Individuality is our first and foremost need. We don’t want our work to sound like anyone else’s, and we get really pissed of at anyone that will copy our sound, style, etc. So there is a lot of emotion that goes into our choice of equipment. That’s a beautiful thing, but it’s also one that can bite us in the ass.

A lot more of what we regard to as high quality equipment is made from generic IC’s and components, in places that you wouldn’t want to go to on your honeymoon. Hey, if it’s crap, it’s crap, and I’ll be the first one to go back to the store and make the guy who sold it to me eat it. But if It’s good, then you have to give credit where credit is due. Behringer has some crap out there, and I wouldn’t buy it, but sometimes they hit the jackpot with something, and it’s fool-hearted not to take advantage of a good product. MACKIE didn’t start out to make a good mixer, they set out to make a good and affordable mixer.

Take the RNC Compressor for instance, it is regarded as one of the best compressors in the industry, if FMR sold them for three times the price, they still sell, because it’s a great product. A cable tester is a utility, it has a list price that’s $20 less than the RNC.

By the way, nobody mentioned anything about the Swizz-Army name, does anybody see the irony, or is that ok because mom and pop took advantage of the big boys.

Remember, music is life, but business is business,
 
NoFO and crisdhunter,

Those were both well thought out posts.

Being extensively involved in the intellectual property community, I can get a little passioinate about IP-related issues such as this. While I tend to agree with Chris, your post was well received, NoFO.

I usually check this thread, looking for someone putting their dukes up. Both of your posts were so well put that I can't get myself to fire the guns. Damn. ;)


Matt
 
NoFo,
You mentioned La Plata. Is that the same La Plata that has been making headlines lately? Any comments on that?
 
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