Behringer ECM8000 vs Marshal 603s

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I'm looking to pick up a pair of either of these mics to record a harp. Any suggestions on which would be the better buy?

Other quick question is how fussy about phantom power are the 603s? I'm using an Audio Buddy and the voltage is 40 tops.

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The Behringer doesn't need a full 40, and while the 603 might be better with 48, either should do just fine.


The 603 has more high end, has very low noise, and can sound very flattering on the right source. The ecm8000 is kind of tricky, in that it has a higher noise floor, and due to it's omnidirectional pickup pattern you really have to be recording in either a great-sounding or very dead room. The benefits of the 8000 are accuracy and natural, uncolored representation of the sound source.
 
I was on the same road Nerzhul, if I were you I´ll pick up the 603´s, they´re too bright when used as OH (I´ve listened to some tracks recorded with them), but I think I can handle it. Recording harp with this mic shouldn´t be a problem. Besides too many people around here are pleased with this puppies.
 
I have both mics, and I've used them both on grand piano.
Neither one of those mics is my first choice for that instrument, but I felt like experimenting.

I can't find the recording I did using the 603's :( Its backed up... somewhere, but I do have one available for the ecm8000's.

http://artists2.iuma.com/site-bin/streammp3.m3u?286662

I think it yielded an "acceptable" recording, but the low end harmonics are lacking in detail.
I really worked with the pair of ecm8000's using positioning to try and get a really nice sound from them, but that file is the best I was able to do with them to date.

I'll dig around for the 603 recordings. I really need to find those.
 
Yo Nerzhul! I have some experience with harp, and the mics you mention. Important stuff- is the harp nylon or metal strung? A lap harp, or a concert harp? The Behringers are omnis, and will pick up the pedals of a concert harp really well. I also consider them too noisy to be ideal on any harp. Harp is a wicked dynamic instrument, and produces very different sounds at different angles, like a guitar. It actually can profit from light compression with a very clean compressor.
I'm going to assume that it's nylon strung, most common. I've actually had my best luck with 2 large diaphragm condensers, one backed off right in front of the harp's soundboard, at say, 3', and the other closer, about 12", just off the soundhole in the back, phase reversed. You can also use a good dynamic for the back mic. The mic in front should be cardioid, and pointed at the soundboard at the midpoint between the highest and lowest strings that are used in the song being recorded.
I'm sorry I've never used the 603's on harp. I've used them on guitar and liked them. I've used Oktava MC012's on harp and disliked them for that application. I think a pair of SP B-1's would work very well for harp. You can also use a SD X-Y pair in front, but rotate them 90 degrees, so the axis of the mics picks up the high and low points of the soundboard. I use C-4's for this, and they work quite well. In the end, though, I get my best results just plunking one C414 right down in front of it. Best of luck.-Richie
 
Tama: Yeah, I've noticed many people giving the 603 a big thumbs up.

Michael: I'm leaning way towards the 603s. I've read how picky the ecm8000s are in regards to picking up ALL of the room noise. I tried to download your file, but couldn't get the link to work.

Richie: Hello! I saw your post on a previous thread regarding harps. Here's a more complete breakdown on what I'm trying to do:

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=92993

The harp I'm recording is a full-sized classical pedal harp (Lyon & Healy ebony and bronze style 23). Wire wound on the bottom, mid is natural gut, and highs are nylon.

Is your recommendation for a celtic or a pedal harp?
 
I have only one experience with pedal harp, and I wasn't running the board, but we did about what Harvey said- a pair of SM81's backed off. Unlike Harvey, working with lap harp, I had very good luck with C414B-ULS, where pedals are not an issue. One thing Harvey and I agree on- mic'ing harp is a bitch. It will test the limits of your signal chain.-Richie
 
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