Blue Bear Sound
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Oh c'mon - you should know by now that you don't have to ask -- I give it freely!chessrock said:
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borntoplease
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whatever, its annoying that you so called "senior members" with thousands of posts to your name cant just give quality advice. when i look at other posts, its the "newbies" who give advice around here and try to help and post good questions. its always the senior members who end up starting the shit.
Blue Bear Sound
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What a load of crap........borntoplease said:
Please feel free to put me on your ignore list.......... *shrug*
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Mustafa Salaam
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borntoplease said:
Shut the EFF up newbie or you will be bombed.
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acorec
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tkingen said:
I can overlook much, but this is definately wrong. There are so many pro studios and touring rigs with Behringer stuff in it it even amazes me. Abbey Road has some stuffed in its racks. I have no idea why they use it, but I have seen alot of Berry gear in totally world class pro racks.
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Mustafa Salaam
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acorec said:
Shut up acorec. This matter has ended.
You will be bombed also.
A-Salaam A-Laikum. Wa-A-Laikum Salaam.
tkingen
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acorec said:
Okay, I stand corrected.
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tkingen
Djembes Rock
Here’s the deal as to why I prefer not to use Behringer gear… Once upon a time I had a 1604vlz that served as the front and back end of my DAW. The outboard gear in my meager rack was a Composer Pro, dbx166, TC Electronics M-One and a midlevel Lexicon reverb.
As an experiment I inserted each piece of gear, one at a time, into the channel inserts of the 1604. The rack gear remained in bypass mode and I played a prerecorded track from the DAW. The Composer Pro, dbx, and M-One all effected the signal of the original track. To check this out, the insert jack was continually removed and put back into the channel insert just to see if my ears were playing tricks on me. Retesting confirmed the results. And remember, each of these pieces of gear were in bypass mode. The Lexi reverb passed the test beautifully. So, the Composer Pro, dbx166, TC Electronics M-One were sold or traded away.
A few months later the decision was made to sell the 1604, use dedicated mic pres and “mix in the box.” So, I purchased some pres and a Behringer 4 channel headphone amp that had main outs to the monitors. It was great! But I started noticing that my mixes weren’t translating as well to other systems. I a/b the Behr with a Presonus HP4 headphone amp that also had a mains out feature. I found that the HP4 was more natural sounding and that the Behr seemed artificially hyped, kind of like an inexpensive Chinese condensor mic. So, the Behr was sold.
Eventually, as my ears matured, I perceived flaws in the HP4. So, it was replaced with a Central Station. The HP4 is a good unit, but the Central Station has better routing options and unequivocally has better fidelity.
Now, does any of this mean that some of the gear is good and some of it bad? Not necessarily…it just means that it didn’t work for my needs and/or expectations. A good engineer can of course achieve great results with any number of lower end gear choices…and they do. 99.99999999% of the time no one will be able to tell which pieces of gear were used to record a song, only that it sounds good. And, I do believe that live sound reinforcement inherently has different requirements than studio recording.
As we’ve all been advised a thousand times…it’s whatever works for you.
Regards,
Terry
As an experiment I inserted each piece of gear, one at a time, into the channel inserts of the 1604. The rack gear remained in bypass mode and I played a prerecorded track from the DAW. The Composer Pro, dbx, and M-One all effected the signal of the original track. To check this out, the insert jack was continually removed and put back into the channel insert just to see if my ears were playing tricks on me. Retesting confirmed the results. And remember, each of these pieces of gear were in bypass mode. The Lexi reverb passed the test beautifully. So, the Composer Pro, dbx166, TC Electronics M-One were sold or traded away.
A few months later the decision was made to sell the 1604, use dedicated mic pres and “mix in the box.” So, I purchased some pres and a Behringer 4 channel headphone amp that had main outs to the monitors. It was great! But I started noticing that my mixes weren’t translating as well to other systems. I a/b the Behr with a Presonus HP4 headphone amp that also had a mains out feature. I found that the HP4 was more natural sounding and that the Behr seemed artificially hyped, kind of like an inexpensive Chinese condensor mic. So, the Behr was sold.
Eventually, as my ears matured, I perceived flaws in the HP4. So, it was replaced with a Central Station. The HP4 is a good unit, but the Central Station has better routing options and unequivocally has better fidelity.
Now, does any of this mean that some of the gear is good and some of it bad? Not necessarily…it just means that it didn’t work for my needs and/or expectations. A good engineer can of course achieve great results with any number of lower end gear choices…and they do. 99.99999999% of the time no one will be able to tell which pieces of gear were used to record a song, only that it sounds good. And, I do believe that live sound reinforcement inherently has different requirements than studio recording.
As we’ve all been advised a thousand times…it’s whatever works for you.
Regards,
Terry