Behringer Composer Pro vs. RNC

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after a few weeks of browsing I`ve decided to join as I find this forum both interesting and informative.

I am a guitarist/composer interested mainly in making high quality solo acoustic recordings, within my quite limited budget!

Main equipment:

2x AKG C480b
Joe Meek VC3
TF Pro P3
LEXICON MPX 500, Alex
Tascam CDRW 700
Echo Mia Midi
P4

I have at the moment on loan a Behringer Comp Pro (MDX2000) which I use for mild dynamic control while recording and was impressed with this machine, especially at the price.
But before I go out and buy the new version (Comp Pro MDX2600), I wonder if anyone can tell me how it compares to the RNC?
Could it be that the RNC is smoother and more transparent, two things that are important for me.
 
Tongi said:
Could it be that the RNC is smoother and more transparent, two things that are important for me.
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Never used the behringer but those 2 words at its price point is WHAT the RNC is KNOWN for. YMMV
 
The RNC deserves it's reputation. Every piece of Behringer gear that I've tried seemed to add an artificial high end to the signal. I wanted to like the Behr stuff 'cause it's cheap, but as components in my signal chain were upgraded the strange high end became more apparent. You'll find continued use for the RNC as your system grows. As always, YMMV

Terry
 
exactly,
lots of people i know start with behringer, buy another piece of equipment, notice the difference in sound quality and wanna get rid of behringer....
in my opinion B is fun but no good :rolleyes:
 
Thanks guys for your response to this one.

The RNC is on the way!
 
hi

composer pro xl mdx2600 is -i think- ok for your needs.
it includes enhancement dynamics de ess etc. not easy to set if you are new in the biz. but it shouldnt be a problem for you ;)

greets y.
 
tkingen said:
The RNC deserves it's reputation. Every piece of Behringer gear that I've tried seemed to add an artificial high end to the signal. I wanted to like the Behr stuff 'cause it's cheap, but as components in my signal chain were upgraded the strange high end became more apparent. You'll find continued use for the RNC as your system grows. As always, YMMV

Terry
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to use behringer properly you should take care that there is no eq or other similar effects after it.. the signal -in- to behringer has to be clear because behringer uses no rectifier or things like that. then there are no problems with behringer.
 
tkingen said:
The RNC deserves it's reputation. Every piece of Behringer gear that I've tried seemed to add an artificial high end to the signal. I wanted to like the Behr stuff 'cause it's cheap, but as components in my signal chain were upgraded the strange high end became more apparent. As always, YMMV

Terry
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MMDV (my milage did vary)!

I have used both in live use. I actually don't care for the RNC for live use. It sort of makes whatever goes through it muddy sounding. :( I won't eve consider it for studio use because it is unbalanced.

I have never, in 8 years of using Behringer stuff heard an "artificial high end" in the signal when it is inserted in the signal path. I have had very high resolution monitoring which I know well.

For the money, the Composer actually is a very useful compressor. Far from the best compressor on the market, but very useful, and quite a good bang for the buck! They used to be a lot more expensive years ago. I can buy about 5 or 6 Composer Pro's for the price I paid for my original Composer. I thought the price tag back then wasn't too bad.
 
Mosfet said:
I have used both in live use. I actually don't care for the RNC for live use. It sort of makes whatever goes through it muddy sounding.
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While the RNC is the be-all-and-end-all for some applications, the one thing I've never heard it being was "muddy."

Mosfet said:
I won't eve consider it for studio use because it is unbalanced.
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That's ridiculous...... inserts on many mid-grade consoles (and ALL budget consoles) are unbalanced anyways... and besides, that's hardly a reason not to use it..... the Behringer stuff in general puts out more noise in balanced config than running a signal thru the RNC ever would......!
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
While the RNC is the be-all-and-end-all for some applications, the one thing I've never heard it being was "muddy."
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Great, then you can say you heard it here first! I literally dumped using RNC's for live use because they just don't do the job for me.

That's ridiculous...... inserts on many mid-grade consoles (and ALL budget consoles) are unbalanced anyways... and besides, that's hardly a reason not to use it..... the Behringer crap puts out more noise in balanced config than running a signal thru the RNC ever would......!
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I see, so, you would run your audio from the recording device, down the wire, into an OP amp, over the an unbalanced insert point, down an unbalanced send, to a patchbaby point, down another unbalanced wire, into the RNC, back to the patchbay unbalanced, through another patchbay point, down yet another unbalanced cable to the return of a mid grade consoles insert point INSTEAD of just putting the compressor between the recording device out and the mid grade consoles Tape Return, which both happen to be balanced, thus you can use balanced I/O on dynamic processors?

I don't know about you Mr. Bear, but the many studios I have worked at, and even those with only mid grade consoles don't use insert points!
 
Sorry, forgot the last point.

Wanna post some facts about the noise floors between the RNC and comparable Behringer products?
 
Mosfet said:
I don't know about you Mr. Bear, but the many studios I have worked at, and even those with only mid grade consoles don't use insert points!
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Well - that certainly hasn't been my experience...

When I track, personally I tend not to put a compressor in the recording chain anyways - it's mic->pre->recorder. Any processing is usually done at mixdown as needed. Next you're going to be telling me that studios don't use their inserts at mixdown either?

OTOH, I run a commercial studio and everything is PB'd, I really don't give a rat's ass what anyone else does anyways.....


Mosfet said:
Wanna post some facts about the noise floors between the RNC and comparable Behringer products?
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Posted specs (especially by Behringer) are useless - many times they have little to do with actual results and more to do with marketing.

The couple of Behringer units I did have I got rid of years ago -- they were nowhere near of sufficient calibre of sound quality to my ears -- funny how I don't get the same impression with the RNC.....

Anyways - I'm not arguing with you further -- you obviously have very different ears than I do if you consider the RNC "muddy and noisy" and prefer Behringer... your choice, your ears...!
 
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Great! This discussions getting pretty hot!

I have to say that I found the Behr Comp Pro MDX2200 to be quiet and clean sounding, (which is born out by the published specifications). But at the moment I have nothing to compare it to.

When the RNC comes I´ll make some tests.
 
Bruce, can we you list at least one fact? Where I said the RNC was "noisy"? Go ahead a quote where I said that. Thanks.

You are quite welcome to use your unbalanced insert points on your Mackie console all that you care to while mixing. I will just go ahead and question your experience. ;)
 
In addition Bruce, I never asked for posted specs, those were your words. I just asked for some facts about the noise floors. I figured you have done some extensive tests on noise of all gear mentioned, and had some findings you could share.

I guess you don't though. Pardon me if I don't question now your opinion concerning how "noisy" Behringer gear is. Frankly, I doubt you would even know how to do a meaningful test that would prove anything concerning noise floor differences and how they would have any adverse effect in a signal chain.

At some point, maybe you can come back with the facts, instead of opinions, and we can have a meaningful discussions.

I agree, we have very different ears. I have actually heard some of your work, and frankly, I am glad we hear things differently.
 
I use my Behirnger stuff as pink and white noise generators to RTA audio systems. :)
 
Mosfet said:
In addition Bruce, I never asked for posted specs, those were your words. I just asked for some facts about the noise floors. I figured you have done some extensive tests on noise of all gear mentioned, and had some findings you could share.

I guess you don't though. Pardon me if I don't question now your opinion concerning how "noisy" Behringer gear is. Frankly, I doubt you would even know how to do a meaningful test that would prove anything concerning noise floor differences and how they would have any adverse effect in a signal chain.

At some point, maybe you can come back with the facts, instead of opinions, and we can have a meaningful discussions.

I agree, we have very different ears. I have actually heard some of your work, and frankly, I am glad we hear things differently.
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Watch it, you're going to get lynched for that one.
 
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