Bass player doesnt understand drop D

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Just a note on dropping....

I only have a six string guitar, and my bass player happens to have a five string.

So I just told him to tune the fith string to d, that way only one of us has to re-tune in a show.... usually he babbles on the mic while i'm doing it.

Has he ever played a five string bass? Some people say they get all messed up going from four to five... bass player in our band did a really good job, and in fact, plays on the extra fat string seldomly.

So if he can't understand drop D, and can't play a five string... what good is he anyway?
 
Maybe I'm thick, too.

But, I must say, just because the guy gets a head-trip over alternate tunings, doesn't make him inferior.

I've been playing guitar (in standard tuning) for 16 years. When something lower is needed, I'll use a down (not drop)-tuned guitar.

Drop-tuning screws up scales and chord shapes, and I couldn't be bothered to learn how to adjust. I just keep a guitar tuned to D, and one tuned to B nearby. (Although I alternate between G and F# on the "G" string, depending on whether it's emulating a seven string,or not.)

I guess what I'm saying is...
Why is the guy a jerk,for not tuning his instrument the way you want him to?

Kind of sounds like guitar players can be pretty thick, too, huh?

As long as he's in key, and on time, he's doing his job.
 
sems appropriate ,,sorry for double posting folks!

The Life and Art of Bass Playing
by Tony Levin

In the beginning there was a bass. It was a Fender, probably a Precision, but it
could have been a Jazz - nobody knows. Anyway, it was very old ... definitely
pre-C.B.S.

And God looked down upon it and saw that it was good. He saw that it was very
good in fact, and couldn't be improved on at all (though men would later try.)
And so He let it be and He created a man to play the bass.

And lo the man looked upon the bass, which was a beautiful 'sunburst' red, and
he loved it. He played upon the open E string and the note rang through the
earth and reverberated throughout the firmaments (thus reverb came to be.) And
it was good. And God heard that it was good and He smiled at His handiwork.

Then in the course of time, the man came to slap upon the bass. And lo it was
funky.

And God heard this funkiness and He said, "Go man, go." And it was good.

And more time passed, and, having little else to do, the man came to practice
upon the bass. And lo, the man came to have upon him a great set of chops. And
he did play faster and faster until the notes rippled like a breeze through the
heavens.

And God heard this sound which sounded something like the wind, which He had
created earlier. It also sounded something like the movement of furniture, which
He hadn't even created yet, and He was not so pleased. And He spoke to the man,
saying "Don't do that!"

Now the man heard the voice of God, but he was so excited about his new ability
that he slapped upon the bass a blizzard of funky notes. And the heavens shook
with the sound, and the Angels ran about in confusion. (Some of the Angels
started to dance, but that's another story.)

And God heard this - how could He miss it - and lo He became Bugged. And He
spoke to the man, and He said, "Listen man, if I wanted Jimi Hendrix I would
have created the guitar. Stick to the bass parts."

And the man heard the voice of God, and he knew not to mess with it. But now he
had upon him a passion for playing fast and high. The man took the frets off of
the bass which God had created. And the man did slide his fingers upon the
fretless fingerboard and play melodies high upon the neck. And, in his
excitement, the man did forget the commandment of the Lord, and he played a
frenzy of high melodies and blindingly fast licks. And the heavens rocked with
the assault and the earth shook, rattled and rolled.

Now God's wrath was great. And His voice was thunder as He spoke to the man.

And He said, "O.K. for you, pal. You have not heeded My word. Lo, I shall create
a soprano saxophone and it shall play higher than you can even think of."

"And from out of the chaos I shall bring forth the drums. And they shall play so
many notes thine head shall ache, and I shall make you to always stand next to
the drummer."

"You think you're loud? I shall create a stack of Marshall guitar amps to make
thine ears bleed. And I shall send down upon the earth other instruments, and
lo, they shall all be able to play higher and faster than the bass."

"And for all the days of man, your curse shall be this; that all the other
musicians shall look to you, the bass player, for the low notes. And if you play
too high or fast all the other musicians shall say "Wow" but really they shall
hate it. And they shall tell you you're ready for your solo career, and find
other bass players for their bands. And for all your days if you want to play
your fancy licks you shall have to sneak them in like a thief in the night."

"And if you finally do get to play a solo, everyone shall leave the bandstand
and go to the bar for a drink."

And it was so.
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IamBurnout said:
Maybe I'm thick, too.

But, I must say, just because the guy gets a head-trip over alternate tunings, doesn't make him inferior.

I've been playing guitar (in standard tuning) for 16 years. When something lower is needed, I'll use a down (not drop)-tuned guitar.

Drop-tuning screws up scales and chord shapes, and I couldn't be bothered to learn how to adjust. I just keep a guitar tuned to D, and one tuned to B nearby. (Although I alternate between G and F# on the "G" string, depending on whether it's emulating a seven string,or not.)

I guess what I'm saying is...
Why is the guy a jerk,for not tuning his instrument the way you want him to?

Kind of sounds like guitar players can be pretty thick, too, huh?

As long as he's in key, and on time, he's doing his job.


Agreed. ;)
What a stupid thing to bitch about.
:rolleyes:
 
I'm sorry but a bass player who cannot grasp playing in drop d is not gonna last in a band full of members who are into King's X and Dream Theater.

As Myx62 stated earlier, it looks like the bass player has othe issues besides alternate tuning challenges.

How can a bass player be doing his job if the song calls for drop D tuning and they can't do it?


clif
 
I'm a bassist of 30 years. What's wrong with playing a D (3rd position on B string of a 5 string bass)? What's the deal with dropped D tuning anyway? I play jazz, funk, r&b, latin, reggae, pop, new country and top40 and never had to or needed to retune my bass? Am I nieve or something? What sort of riff cannot be played on a 5 string bass. Why does the E have to tuned down to D if you play a 5 string? I can understand a 4 string bass but not a 5 string! Please explain! What am I missing here?
 
DWBass said:
I'm a bassist of 30 years. What's wrong with playing a D (3rd position on B string of a 5 string bass)? What's the deal with dropped D tuning anyway? I play jazz, funk, r&b, latin, reggae, pop, new country and top40 and never had to or needed to retune my bass? Am I nieve or something? What sort of riff cannot be played on a 5 string bass. Why does the E have to tuned down to D if you play a 5 string? I can understand a 4 string bass but not a 5 string! Please explain! What am I missing here?

Hmmm, I must be missing something here too because I use all kinds of alternate tunings and always keep my 4 stringer in a standard tuning. I'm not a seasoned bass player so maybe I should explore this issue more....:confused:
 
clifchamb said:
I'm sorry but a bass player who cannot grasp playing in drop d is not gonna last in a band full of members who are into King's X and Dream Theater.

As Myx62 stated earlier, it looks like the bass player has othe issues besides alternate tuning challenges.

How can a bass player be doing his job if the song calls for drop D tuning and they can't do it?


clif
Yes Clif you seem to have gotten the point. Im at a loss as to why some others have not?
DW- An experienced jazz player could easily play a 5 string bass
using the 3rd position on the low B. Its called Experience. As for the Bass player in general. Hes a fricken gtr player who couldnt cut it on gtr so he started playing bass........
Myx
 
Myx62 said:
Yes Clif you seem to have gotten the point. Im at a loss as to why some others have not?
DW- An experienced jazz player could easily play a 5 string bass
using the 3rd position on the low B. Its called Experience. As for the Bass player in general. Hes a fricken gtr player who couldnt cut it on gtr so he started playing bass........
Myx
So the dropped D thing is mainly directed at 4 stringers. Okay. But why not detune the entire bass instead of just the E? Just asking............
 
DWBass said:
So the dropped D thing is mainly directed at 4 stringers. Okay. But why not detune the entire bass instead of just the E? Just asking............
Dropping the E to D takes a few seconds on the bass and a few minutes on my gtr that has a floating bridge. To detune the whole thing is just not good time management. The guy actually detuned all 4 strings. Then after the song was finished retuned it.
Thats when I tried to explain only dropping the E. We needed to get some songs down in a certain period of time and Im starting to see that isnt going to happen.
Myx
 
Gotcha. Now I see why some 4 string basses have that hipshot drop d tuner so you can flip it real quick and flip it back when done. Okay!

How about detuning the entire bass and using a capo? Quick on and quick off! Hey, I'm all for whatever works! :) I'm glad I play a 5 string.

Peace
 
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