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I think this falls under recording techniques... How do you deal with bands that you are recording that:

A. Can't hear anything anymore because they have blown their ears out with 400 12" cabs stacked on top of one another in a 300 sq foot club, yet they insist on adding highs to the guitars.

B. Can't hear anything, but they know for sure that they do not hear enough kick drum, I mean every kick drum should sound like a Honda in east LA right.

C. You turn on the click track and they attempt to play to it and the song becomes a train wreck then they say "using a click is like putting our music in a box" so you turn off the click and then the song fluctuates so much that when the song is release people laugh at them, and they say "we had a crappy engineer"

D. Think they are the most awesome rock band in the world, and when they finally hear what they sound like, they blame you, after all as an engineer, you write lyrics, get huge guitar sounds out of 10" crate practice amps, and can fix all vocals in post right.

E. Think that there next job is to be a producer, because they really like working with and listening to music.

F. Have decided that you don't really need a sound engineer, or a producer, you just need the bass player to mix the album.

G. Decide that the reason the album stinks is because of the mastering even though they do not even understand what mastering is or what it does.

H. Decide that they will mix the album on their own, and when they do people laugh, and they say it was you that mixed it.

I. They want more bass you pretend to move a knob that controls the talk back mic, and they say...little more...little more...perfect.

J. The want Metallica's guitar sound, but they would like to use their $50 distortion pedal. You tell them about using a plug in for the guitar sound and they give you a dissertation on the benefits of analog.

K. Want to use the biggest fanciest most expensive mic in the studio so they can tell their friends that they did.

L. Think that using a 57 on the guitar cab is so 1980's

M. Want to touch the soundboard.

N. Drink in the studio.

O. Bring everybody they know into the studio, to see them perform, and you end up cleaning butt prints off the glass from the mix room to the studio from the casual moonings.

P. Touch the grand piano, and play chopsticks.

Q. Want you to run their mix through ever piece of outboard gear in the studio so they can watch the meters move.

R. Want to scream into your expensive mics, from 1" away.

S. Bring in a drum set that has toms from 3 different kits painted with spray paint 4 times, with stars, and shapes, concave heads, and cracked cymbals, a feather pillow in the kick and then say how come my drums don't sound like the drums on ________ album.

T. Have wrestling matches in the main space of the A studio next to a crop of 30 mics.

U. Have an friend or relative who knows everything there is about being in a band, because he played in one in 1976 in college, and he is going to be there to make sure you get the " sound they want". Then the recording tones sound right out of 1969, and they all blame you.

V. Have a tight budget but and want to record using a 15 piece pearl kit with 2 kicks (which they want exactly the same). It can't take that long to throw up 25 mics, and sound check right?

W. Have never played on time in their life.

X. Get a decent take from a bad player and spend 4 hours trying to improve on it only to realize that the first take was the best he can do.

Y. Don't know what song they are going to play when they arrive at the studio.

Z. Think Reverb covers Bad Vocals.
 
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I'm printing this out and hanging it in the control room tonight.
 
ROFL! Good one! I'm printing this out too. ;)

I. They want more bass you pretend to move a knob that controlls the talk back mic, and they say...little more...little more...perfect.

Now THIS is really funny. I've done it a few times, too. You know, at times when you have these kind of people recording at your studio, everything is stressful for you. But it's things like these that you can do to put some smile back to your face. Hahaha...

However, I've always thought that while it would really suck to record these bands, it isn't good for my business if I'm way too picky. I need to recover back the cost of the setup, so like it or not, I have to take any job that comes flying my way...

In my opinion, anyway!
 
I call it like I see it. In fact if you listen to the files in my signature you will hear 2 of the bands that much of this is about.
 
You close your eyes and imagine your a landscaper. That's how.

Great list.
 
LOL .... I am planting a pretty little tree next to a babling brook, oh look! there is a bunny coming to eat some ... "!screeeech...can you turn my headphones up, all I hear is the rest of the band, and I can't hear myself at all." "sure thing, but I can actually hear your headphones in the control room, want me to turn everything down a bit?" "no just louder please" "ok..." what a happy little bunny you are eating that carrot.
 
nice. tell me, how does a band deal with an engineer who:

-tells you you will get a better sound with a pod (or worse yet - plugins) than your fender twin

-wants to use drum triggers on punk rock

-wants to record rock n' roll on a computer

-wants to DI your guitar so they can change your settings once you're gone because they know more about getting your sound than you do

-wants to add cheezy digital reverb over all of the vocals

-spends 2 hours tweaking a harmonizer or somecrap then decides not to use it but bills you for the time

-put compression on EVERYTHING

-make everything sound like CREED.

-wants you to use THEIR equipment, not yours, because they know how to record "their" equipment more quickly even though it sounds worse.

-make the vocals too loud

-make the guitars too loud

-make the guitars too quiet

-doesn't "get" the music because they're too old so they don't really care if the final product sounds like horseshit or not.

-tries way to hard to get a drummer to play to a click track who obviously can't play to a click track.

-basically wants to do things their way instead of the best way for a given band/project

...................so what do you do???

home record!

funny post btw.
 
ROTFL Mr Rich man you are are killing me!... My stomach hurts.
 
I personally think that bands are too deaf to record anything therfore put little or no faith in anything that they have to offer in the way of engineering.
 
Great post boomtap. :)

Step 1) Start networking with a higher class of musician. Ones that are smart enogh to wear earplugs is a pretty good litmus test. I have noticed, by coincidence or not, that one's professionalism regarding the music scene is directly proportional to the quality of earplugs they wear on stage.

Step 2) Realize that the number of clients that fit the definition of stage 1 atht are willing to go with indie engineer is miniscule unless/until you can build some rep.

Step 3) Anybody whose opinion matters can hear the difference between the band and the engineer in a recording. Don't worry about them blaming you for the fact that they have all the rhythm of an 80yr-old virgin chessmaster; nobody important will believe them.

Step 4) You can cry about their blaming you for their lack of talent alllthe way to the bank as you deposit the money they gave you for such a "bad engineering" job.

Step 5) realize that engineers that complain about recording lousy bands are in the same boat as lawyers who complain about defending guilty clients. Except we don't have jokes about crashing schoolbusses and shark attacks written about us. ;) "How do you keep an audio engineer from choking?..."

Step 6) It's a job. If it were easy, we wouldn't get paid for it.

Step 7) If they go anywhere near your console after laying down the rules, no matter who they are, slap them away. Period.

Step 8) When they leave, just pour yourself a Crown Royal on the rocks (unless you're not old enough, then stick to Royal Crown :D) and sit back and relax. It's over for another day.

G.
 
That is what is so funny. In Colorado you cannot build a reputation. For instance my buddy just did some songs for The Fray. One of the songs made the final album released world wide on Sony/Epic. He has a hard time finding work even though he is one of the most brilliant engineers I have ever met in 16 years of being in and out of studios. Every album he does gets at least the attention of a minor label. phhttt to Colorado.
 
boomtap said:
LOL .... I am planting a pretty little tree next to a babling brook, oh look! there is a bunny coming to eat some ... "!screeeech...can you turn my headphones up, all I hear is the rest of the band, and I can't hear myself at all." "sure thing, but I can actually hear your headphones in the control room, want me to turn everything down a bit?" "no just louder please" "ok..." what a happy little bunny you are eating that carrot.

This pisses me off more than anything. There's a certain band I record and the bass player is a complete moron that can't play a bass if his life depended on it. He looks like that kid in 3rd grade band trying to figure out what the hell is going on but really has no clue at all where to start. Well he has to play DI'd with the drums, claims its the only way he can record, well he's so bad I have to DI the guitar player so the drummer can follow him instead of the bass player anyway evey time i get, "hey man i can't hear myself at all". So I crank him up, same thing, can't hear. So finally I had him dedicated to 6 channels and he said the same thing. I finally said hey play the damn bass, you can't hear because you aren't playing because you don't have a clue. I proceeded to let him know that when he played we were peaking on every channel, when he'd stand there and pretend you couldn't hear him at all. But of course this was all my fault. He still doesn't realize his guitar player redoes all his parts.
 
jesus, tell them to hire a differant bass player. tell em you can bring in a session guy to do the parts for a bit of cash. then make that session person yourself.
 
We did that with a band once. He wasn't any good, so we let him do the album, and were like "man you keep getting it in one take!" Then when he left for the night, the lead guitarist started laying down the bass. We never told him. I feel bad, but it was sort of funny.
 
FALKEN said:
nice. tell me, how does a band deal with an engineer who:

-tells you you will get a better sound with a pod (or worse yet - plugins) than your fender twin

......

home record!

funny post btw.

Don't forget the engineer who gates your drums so hard he gated the snare drum right out! Seriously, it happened to a friend and the guy gated/comped/reverbed as he was recording...to a computer. This was in an actual studio too.
 
boomtap said:
J. The want Metallica's guitar sound, but they would like to use their $50 distortion pedal. You tell them about using a plug in for the guitar sound and they give you a dissertation on the benefits of analog.

A $50 pedal was probably used in the making of the Metallica guitar sound. Amp emulators were not. The disertation on the benefits of analog would probably be re-hash, but correct........

I hate to be a buzz kill here, but this whole post bummed me out a little bit. Some artists are tough to work with, but what a great privilege it is that we get to record bands. getting to hang out with musicians and make records is one of the coolest thing in the world. As guys with a bit of knowledge about making records, part of our job is to help educate people and share ideas with them. After making a couple hundred records, the gear is no longer that fascinating to me, but what gets me excited about starting new projects is that I get to hang out with musicians and make music. I know a lot about making records, but its amazing how often I learn stuff from musicians that "know less" than me.

I remember when I was first starting out with my recording career. I got an amazing album by the Tony Williams Lifetime, the band had Jack Bruce and John Mclaughlin, and the liner notes talk about how the engineer fucked up the record because he could not get his head around the fact that the guitar had effects and distortion, and effects and the drummer played too hard for jazz. since the engineer could not get his way he just gave up and made a shitty recording. Its musically one of my favorite albums ever. I promised myself I would never be that kind of engineer (I struggle with it to this day)

If you do not respect the musicians you are recording, you should not be recording them. Turn the gig down. How shitty it is for musicians when the end up working with producers and engineers that do not respect them. There is most likely some one out there that that would love a chance to work with them.

OK, enough of being an old fart buzz kill.
 
I disagree. You have a much better shot with todays software of getting a big album sound than you do with $50 pedals. Unless you have the access to the real amps with the real cabs and the real sound, I don't think pedals emulate better than software can now adays.

Sorry this post bummed you out. Some of us are trying to have a little fun. After recording for hours, and dealing with the frustrations first hand I think I deserve to vent a little about artists and thier ecentricities.
 
I get frustrated with their eccentricities too. Even in my own band. Something you may want to keep in mind is that musicians are usually getting screwed over by someone at any given time. Even good musicians. From what I've seen, they rarely have no reason to assume that you'll be any different. Ventings great. It's better to get stuff off your chest than not, but think about it. Practically, any band out there is expected to bring in a hundred people everywhere they play, sell tickets to a f'ing bar (paid for up front of course), put up flyers with the clubs name everywhere, all for free. My band usually brings in anywhere from 35-50 people as an opener and usually have a good chunk of the room asking for a cd. After 20-25 shows and over a year later, we've gotten paid a total of $35 and two pitchers of beer. Thing is though, 80% of the band doesn't drink. Yes, we're all wierd, eccentric, and at times pretty dumb. But really, why do engineers expect every musician out there to play perfectly? They're paying you to put their heart and soul on record, usually just so they can play it in their cd player and pass it around to a few friend and fans.

Something that ticks me off about "professional" engineers is trying to force drummers to play with clicks, forcing the band to track one instrument at a time. Musicians are generally a little insecure in the studio. You're putting a drummer in a cell and forcing him to play in a way that takes alot of adjusting to, and on top of all that you have the rest of the band in the control room where the drummer knows that they can hear his every fault, and yet you still expect him to play well? Geezz, the nerves of playing something that is going to be permanant aloan can make you play like crap, never mind everything else that's going on.

That $50 pedal is his sound and what he is used to playing through. Find a good spot to put the mic on that $20 practice cab and live with it.

Keep in mind that they are not paying you to record your record. It is their record. PERIOD. If they just want a hi-fi jam tape with some mistakes punched in, or covered up with reverb, it's your job to give it to them.

Sorry if that turned into a bit of a rant, but I just get tired of seeing engineers blasting musicians for not being perfect. But I definitely hear ya on most of the other stuff. If people want to wrestle around next to ten grand worth of mics, they can give me a ten grand deposit on them :).
 

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