Bands are a pain in the...

[Cloneboy Studio]

have you tried it?? seems to me some people can do it and some people can't. if they can't, you can't force them to. just move on. don't bitch about it though. "this drummer can't play to a click". jesus... has everybody just forgotten the roots of this music??? some people don't need a perfect album, with perfect timing, and every little nuance cut and pasted. sometimes its gotta be real.

Oh, I rarely record with a click because as soon as the drummers says they can't/won't I drop the subject.

But I think if you can't play to a click you are a shitty drummer. Heck, I barely play drums but **I** can play to a click no problem! (Just don't expect anything fancy.)

Oh, and the nonsense about "brand names don't matter--only the application" is a bunch of hooey. Try getting a professional metal sound out of a Peavey Bandit. Some equipment is so blah or mismatched that you can't do much with it.

I mean, seriously, a JC-120 is a fine amp but you aren't going to get a convincing metal chugg out of it.

It's about the right gear for the right application.

 

[Cloneboy Studio]

problem: idiot

solution: don't f'n hire idiots.

I didn't hire him, but I did fire him.

Sadly, in northwest Ohio there is a shortage of engineers so there are tons of lame people working in studios around here.

 

[mshilarious]

In this guy's defense:

Okay, here are some real stories about an engineer that got fired from the studio I'm at:

1.) Insisted to a death metal band that they need to sound more like Evanessence so they can sell more albums. Proceeded to mix said band as if they were Def Leppard.

He just has the balls to admit that everybody loves reverse gate reverb on snare

10.) Would clip 90% of the tracks because he insisted you have to record around -1 dbfs to "get the bits." Claimed that clipping gave a saturated sound to the recording.

That's true! It's saturated with odd-order harmonic distortion!

12.) Managed to Autotune vocals to the wrong key--and didn't notice.

It was probably still more in tune than the performance

13.) Insisted that the SM81 was a tube mic. (???)

Technically that is true--the housing is a metal tube. Hey, a lot of people call it a 'pencil' mic, but I opened mine up and I didn't see any kind of writing utensil inside

14.) Didn't consider a drum kit ready to record until it had 20 pounds of tape and cotton on it.

How are you supposed to fix it in the mix and master with EQ and compression without tape and cotton while tracking

 

[boomtap]

Most people don't understand the scope of the big budget records. Those guys rent every ounce of vintage gear, drums, guitars...you name it to get a great sound for a band. Most artist I work with think that the big bands have a roadie carry in thier combo amp and worn out guitar, and they rock it out and go back to eating toquitos and getting drunk.

 

[FALKEN]

just to set the record straight...

I have many guitars...a '74 tele, an Am. Std. Strat, a 335 clone..
many amps too...a musicman twin, a fender twin...

but my current rig, and I kid you not, is a squier (which I modified for P-90s)and a crate amp (vintage club 50). laugh if you want but my tone is sooo sweet I'll laugh with you if you think I'm kidding. I could go out and buy any rig I want...but this is the one. In another band I play a completely different setup. its all about the application and the player. I looove 2x12 combos.

 

[giraffe]

post something recorded with that exact rig

the pickup replacement is a good start, admittedly

not impossible to get a good sound out of, and we all know that the player matters a lot to the tone.
but i'm assuming you have realistic expectations of the tone you're going to get from it........ not all people do.

 

[chessrock]

Step 8) When they leave, just pour yourself a Crown Royal on the rocks (unless you're not old enough, then stick to Royal Crown ) and sit back and relax. It's over for another day.

Words of wisdom ... not bad coming from a Southsider.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

Words of wisdom ... not bad coming from a Southsider.

Proof that I'm not a Southside Irish...they drink nothing but Miller Lite.

G.

 

[boomtap]

Full Sail must be destroyed!!!!

Maybe we could give them some sort of DAW virus or something.

 

[FALKEN]

well I just installed the P90s so I haven't recorded anything with them yet. here is a clip of that amp with one of my strats..not sure if its the squier with vintage noiseless pups or the am std with lace sensors. the difference is not too noticeable. this uses the amps distortion channel which I NEVER use..I usually use pedals. this was a test song I wrote on my fostex e-16 when I first got it.

 

[7string]

Full Sail must be destroyed!!!!

I saw this post and wondered, "WTF is Full Sail?" About 30 minutes later I walked to the mailbox and there was a flyer from "Full Sail Real Word Education - Your career in music starts starts here!" I swear I am NOT making this up!!!!!

 

[KEVIN1600]

I thought this thread was great and had a lot of good viewpoints. People go into the studio and expect far to much sometimes and it's shocking to them to hear what they really sound like.If they learn they gain something if not they play the blame game because this can't be the way they really sound so it's the studios fault. It's better to record at home and have some knowledge coming in.

 

[boomtap]

Ya I agree. I think bands should record themselves so they have a refrence as to what they sound like so they don't go into the studio with dilusions of being the next super band.

 

[dgatwood]

Tell me about it, I got a computer science degree right when the bubble burst.
Now all the development jobs are going to India for $8/hr.

There's still some good ones out there though, but they usually go the people with 10yrs experience. I guess I'm stuck punching out pc boards for $10/hr + 0 benifits.

You're in the wrong state. There are 146 open CS positions at Apple alone in the Bay Area.... A good number of those are for NCHs (new college hires) or 2 years experience or some other similarly low number.

 

[boomtap]

I want a job... but apple just make ipods right?









.lol.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

You're in the wrong state. There are 146 open CS positions at Apple alone in the Bay Area.... A good number of those are for NCHs (new college hires) or 2 years experience or some other similarly low number.

That's mostly because of the huge turnover at Apple. It's a very cliquish company to work for, you have to drink the koolaid. In the words of Steve Jobs himself, "Everybody here gets it. If you don't, you're gone." Well, not everybody is willing to buy into the emperor's new clothes all the time, and those that aren't are dumped like yesterday's coffee grounds. I'm not editorializing on whether that's good or bad; hell, I'd love to have a successful dictatorship like that for myself Just saying that's how it goes at Apple.

Here in Chicago, there are plenty of IT jobs, but mostly in dead-end technologies like Java working for PMs who couldn't buy themselves a clue. And the problem getting jobs isn't just with rookies. I have 20 years of experience in IT myself, everything from tech support to teacher/trainer to manager to architect, but can't find a job because nobody wants a middle management level anymore and I'm considered "too qualified" and "old" for lesser jobs...even though I tell them I don't care if I have to step down the ladder a bit.

The IT field absolutely sucks for anyone who isn't already happily placed. That's why I expanded to media engineering, which is why I'm here.

G.

 

[corban]

Interesting. Media engineering, what is the full scope of that term?

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

Interesting. Media engineering, what is the full scope of that term?

Well, I pretty much copped the phrase myself, as far as I know. The way I bill myself is as a "digital media engineer". My resume/portfolio includes everything from computer programming (6+ languages) and troubleshooting (Mainframes to micros), to corporate website design and management and graphics design (7-time webmaster and architect), to video editing (engineer for Discreet Logic + several independant videos) and audio engineering (first home studio in 1979, full-time since 1999.) So when I looked at all that and saw that it made one hell of a long title on my business card I figured it all converged under the general description of digital media engineering.

Have bits, will travel.

G.

 

[giraffe]

digital media engineering.

sound important in that "we need that guy to do the job" way

and it's ill defined enough to mean whatever you want it to.

yup, you probably just created a buzz word.
might steal it

 

[boomtap]

can we fancy it up...electronic media engineer, or network/hardware hybrid media specialist.