ATTN: 464/564/788 Users!

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I'm in the position where I am able to pick up one of these machines at a great price. The recording medium doesn't really matter to me - I just need something to record on at home.

I am interested in hearing both positive and negative reviews from anyone who owns these machines...

Thanks in advance.
 
Whoa, comparing these machines is like comparing apples to oranges.

I have a 464 and love it. Pure analog heaven, if you can't afford a reel to reel. Cassette-based four track machines didn't get made any better than this by another manufacturer, and TASCAMs own 244 is the only one can beat it.

An easy-to-use and understand mixer, insert jacks on the first two channels, direct mode recording, four mono plus two stereo channels, two fx sends, three memory points on the counter, somebody stop me, DBX NR, and all made by TEAC back when they gave a sh** about quality.

Digital Smigital
 
The 564 might make for an interesting choice in that it is a true Analog/digital hybrid machine with a real analog mixer and a digital 4 track recorder that employs the very cute Mini-Disc Data format which has some great features including one called "Bounce Forward" where you can take your original 4 track beds and bounce them in stereo to another part of the same disc and continue your production from there.

The 788 being an all digital unit may offer more flexibility but lacks in tactile, see the knob - turn the knob, simplicity.

The 464 is an all analog unit and also will be very user friendly and sound at least as good as the 564 but will lack some of digital's best editing features.

I started off more then 20 years ago with a 244 Portastudio and did some pretty incredible things with it but, if I would have had a 564, I can only imagine what I could have accomplished.

Cheers! :)
 
Thanks again.

I may have to pick up all three - the price is too good.
 
Funny,...

but the mixer section of the 464 and 564 are virtually identical.

A significant difference between the 464 and 564 is that the 464 runs on easy-to-find, economical cassette tapes, and the 564 requires hard-to-find, pricey MD-Data discs. Average: $2/cassette vs. $15/MD-Data disc.

Another significant difference is the 464 has simple locate, punch in/out editing facilities, and the 564 has whizbang non-linear digital locate and cut/copy/paste editing, plus "bounce forward", (already mentioned, but worth mentioning again). More, the 564 has "virtual" track capability, allowing for 5 alternate takes to be stored, before choosing one.

The 464 has a digital, menu-driven 4-buss assign matrix, while the 564 has a somewhat simpler switch-driven 2-buss assign PLUS 4-direct capability. The 4-buss design is somewhat higher function than the 2-buss + 4-direct design.

The 464 has LCD Level Meter "bars" integrated into the single LCD display. The 564 has a dedicated LCD function display PLUS 4-(separate)-LED Meter "bars". HINT: the LED Meter "bars" are much more highly visible.

The 464 and 564 will both record 4-tracks simultaneously,... 4-total.

BOTH the 464 and 564 are simple removable media devices, which simplifies archiving of "data", considerably.

The 464 and 564 actually share many common design features, depite being quite different, too. (Is that a contradiction?) They are both roughly the same size.

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The 788 is an entirely different design scheme than the 464 and 564, that all bets are off. The 788 has an entirely LCD menu-driven environment, with a minimum of knobs & buttons that perform multi-functions, depending on what menu you're in at the time.

The 788 has all the latest Cut/Copy/Paste, non-linear digital editing capability, LOADS of "virtual" tracks, and 999 levels of "Undo",... features not matched by either the 464 or 564.

The 788 is a fixed media device, which requires a specialized and dedicated additional CDR burner accessory, for any true "archival" functions, beyond the simple "mixdown-and-dump" scenario.

The 788 will record 6-tracks, simultaneously, & 8-total. The 788 is smaller than either the 464 or 564.

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(these days) Everyone pretty much "assumes" the 788, being digital, would have the "best" sound quality, but that's NOT borne out in the specs. By specs alone, the 464 and 564 probably sound "better", although there's no denying that the satisfying "fat" sound people are usually looking for comes from the 464, & analog tape.

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Conclusion:
A) If you have the bread & the price is right, get all 3!
B) If you have enough bread to get 2, get the 464 and 564.
C) If you're limited by budget, in the long run you'd be better with the 464, alone, based on cost of cassette media, saving you a lot of money, especially if you're more prolific than not.

I'd not necessarily recommend the 788 by itself, on any of it's merits alone, OTHER THAN IT's A FULL 8-TRACKS. THE OTHERS ARE 4-TRACKS. However, the 564 has "bounce-forward" that bridges the gap, somewhat, AND, if by chance you had BOTH the 464 AND 564, you could get into some pretty sophisticated bouncing schemes, bringing the utility of the 4-tracker a bit closer to that of the 8-tracker.

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That's my SHORT answer. :eek:
 
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I appreciate the feedback.

Here's the deal...

I've had my share of 414s and 424s throughout the last ten years or so and they keep breaking on me. I've found it's roughly the same price to buy another model as it is to fix them.

Although the 414 didn't have the greatest sound - all of my mixes sounded flat - the ease of use and portability of the unit couldn't be beat. I found I could rig the power supply to run off my car's cigarette lighter & record wherever & whenever I wanted.

When I finally upgraded to the 424 a few years ago, I found this model had a much better EQ system that really filled out my mix. I loved the warm, analog sound.

I have a Protools set up in my studio - but I need something else...something quick and easy for home...or car, I suppose.

I like the idea of the analog 464 - I have a library full of tapes that need work. The cost of the media really isn't a big deal...I'll cope.

I might like the MiniDisc format better though. The editing features seem quite interesting. I could probably benefit from this immensely. $15 for a MD is pricey...but they can be reformatted, correct??

The 788 comes with the CD burner which is a high point. I also like the 8 track capabilities. I've been disappointed with some digital recorders in the past...the EQ never seems just right. How are the EQ settings laid out on this machine? Hopefully it's not like that damn red fostex piece of shit I played with last year. I like fully adjustable EQs - like the 424 had - not preprogrammed settings.

I like the idea of using CD-RWs in the 788. Will I have to jump thru hoops to convert the file type if I decide to import these tracks to protools? I may want to use the tracks I create on the 788 as a scratch track on protools...this, of course, depends on the ease of use. I don't mind converting files - My concern is the time and effort involved. I don't want to waste 15 minutes importing files when I could just re-record the scratch in the studio in 5.

Sorry for the rant guys...

I'm just thinking out loud.
 
Ok,...

The Minidisc-Data disc can be reformatted and reused a gazillion times, without degradation.

The EQ on the 464 and 564 is identical to the EQ on the 424mkII and mkIII.

The 788 coming with the CDR/W burner as a package is certainly a big boost to the entire deal. The file conversion and importability from the 788 to common wav's and/or PT format is dubious, at best, but I'm not the person to address that issue, directly. The 788's EQ is LCD MENU DRIVEN, and I believe it's 3-band or 4-band FULLY PARAMETRIC EQ. However, again, without consulting the manual, I'm not the best person to comment on that. I'm shooting from the hip, somewhat, when it comes to the 788.

For the sake of the curiosity factor, the 788 manual is available by download from the official Tascam site. You can find out everything you need to know about the 788 by downloading the actual user's manual.

;)
 
...Nonetheless, your shots from the hip save me a lot of reading. :D
 
Invisible,

You sound like you like analog sound. Yet you say you don't care what you record on at home. With this in mind, consider:

I love analog myself and I own the 788 and the 2488 DAWs. If you are going to jump the fence, MiniDisc does not make sense from that perspective, since you want the 'fullest sound'. The 788 records at 24 bits uncompressed; the MD is dropping data to achieve its size of files.
The 788 gives you many virtual tracks to record to, so you may pre-combine sections without loss (pre-mix) and these two features alone are worth gold, along with the sub-frame accuracy of edits in both the 788 and 2488.
For analog warmth, think front end. Mics and pre-amps.
The pres in the 788 are fine for line use, but they are gruesome in terms of noise at mic level. I use a DBX 286A pre which drives things quite nicely into both machines. You can look at a tube pre for more color.

I understand your feeling about tape, but if the real analog Portas aren't enough, I think going to the 788 is better than MD for the reasons mentioned,

Hope this is of use,

CC
 
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