Athlon XP users

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one quick question.. what video cards are most of you running.. i have a ati rage 128 in my daw and i don't think my xp2000 likes it..
when i run my daw at xp2000 it'll freeze when i slow it down it won't.. i changed the video card to a nvida card and it stayed on at xp2000..i had no problems at all...so i take it my video card and cpu don't really like each other...
what type of video card should i buy?
 
it may not be the cpu... more likely to be your motherboard. Try new drivers for the ati...

btw i am using an nvidia geforce 4 ti4200...
 
the motherboard is....a k7s5 or something like that with a sis 735 chipset..
 
Lucid, what Mb and cpu do you have? if i have to i'll buy a video card and mb...
 
i am using an xp1800 with an asus a7m266. that's with amd's 761 chipset. SiS i don't know much about. Look into finding an Nvidia 2 based board. See if you can take it home and try it out; and return it if it doesn't work.
 
As stated above, it's not really going to be an issue with the processor itself, but the motherboard (unless you're overclocking).

Your problem is that ATI sucks. Now a lot of people are going to pop in here and say "ATI is great, price value performance, blah blah, we love the underdog, i've had one for a long time and have no problems." All of these people were part of a government brain-washing conspiracy, so ignore them.

I don't have personal experience with that SiS chipset, but from what I've heard so far it's decent (compared to prior SiS stuff which sucked). If you've tried a card with an nVidia chipset and it worked fine, then chances are replacing the video card is a good solution, and will only cost $60 or so.

Honestly, it's got nothing to do with nVidia vs ATI, but problems with certain cards on certain boards do crop up from time to time. That ATI you're using is an old AGP 2X and that could have something to do with it. ATI's drivers are notoriously lousy, so updating them might help to break your system further, which is always a good idea (and one reason I recommend nVidia).

Slackmaster 2000
 
I am part of the underground government conspiracy, because I use ATI cards exclusively on 4 AMD machines I've built, and have had no problems. But I must say it is of utmost importance to have the newest and most up to date drivers.
 
I have k7s5a mobo with XP1800 processor.
Before I bought any videocard I used a standard PCI SVGA, which was very stable, but only good for system setup and basic applications. Next was SIS315 videocard which worked surprisingly well except for one thing: at high maginification in Nuendo video had an annoying lag. Next to try was Matrox G550 which produced very sharp image but turned out to be even slower than SIS315. Now I am running ATI Radeon 9700 Pro, which I was lucky to grab cheap on occasion. Until recently it was the fastest card there is. Video speed is much better now, but still not perfect, so this lag appears to be more of a Nuendo problem rather than videocard problem. This is my first ATI card and it runs very stable. All cards I used except for the first one ran at 4x AGP.
Overall I haven't experienced any system instability for which these videocards or the board can be blamed.
In your case drivers can be an issue. I would also suggest to make sure that your videocard does not share IRQ with any other device. Also, AGP slot shares IRQ with the first PCI slot right next to it. Therefore make sure that you have no card installed in the first PCI slot.
And one more thing: early AGP cards were designed to run at a different voltage than recent AGP slots provide. The switch was made somewhere around 2x AGP times. I think it is worth checking out.
 
I'm sorry, but Slackmaster is part of a government brain-washing conspiracy, so ignore him. :D

I have used both an ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder and now a Radeon 7500 All-In-Wonder with my Gigabyte Athlon XP mobo.

On the other hand, the first Athlon motherboard I purchased was the same K7S5A motherboard you have. After going through two motherboards and suffering a torched hard drive, I concluded that particular motherboard was a piece of shit, and returned it. I subsequently discovered on the web that a lot of other people were having problems with that board as well. However, in fairness I must also say that I know at least one person with that motherboard who is working with no problems.

A lot of people seem to have this idea that ATI drivers are shit. The only rathonal I can find for this is that ATI actually makes available UPGRADED DRIVERS (Gasp!), even for it's older cards like the Rage. Personally I prefer this over the "Fuck you, buy a new video card" approach of some other companies.
 
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webstop, i have the same MB do you have a problem running your xp1800 at xp1800 or do you have to run it slower?? i flashed the bios a few weeks ago so the mb will handle upto a xp2600 so i know it'll handle my xp2000....
as for the video card..( http://tw.giga-byte.com/products/ag32s.htm ) i guess it just isn't very stable with xp... b/c the computer will freeze, sometimes i can't even start a session under nuendo it'll freeze.. i have to tern the cpu down and when i do that i can't use the same amount of plugins..it was given to me for free when my last card got shocked from a bad storm

i'll look at getting a nvidia video card and mb if need be...but these days i have more and more ppl working with me, i can't have a unstable computer...tracking vocals then it locks up..NO

it wouldn't have anything to do with pc133 memory vs ddr would it???
 
RWhite said:
A lot of people seem to have this idea that ATI drivers are shit. The only rathonal I can find for this is that ATI actually makes available UPGRADES ITS DRIVERS (Gasp!), even for it's older cards like the Rage. Personally I prefer this over the "Fuck you, buy a new video card" approach of some other companies.
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Other companies???? Like who? Hahaha...ATI drivers suck eggs...they go from broken to less broken, not to mention they are just plain annoying. And they aren't really revised that often, and beta revisions aren't accessible to the public.

Slackmaster 2000
 
c9-2001,
I run XP1800 at a nominal speed.
Memory should not be an issue, unless you mix different brands. Initially I used PC133, then switched to DDR2100 - no problems.
I've used Seasound SoloEX, Audiophile 2496 and currently - Delta1010 - no problems.
In my setup anything that I don't need (like integrated audio, USB etc.) is disabled in BIOS. Actually it may be worthwhile to check the BIOS for correct settings.
One useful link to visit: http://forum.ocworkbench.com/ocwbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=001477
The FAQ is little old but still contains interesting articles, like: " Why is my system unstable at 133/133 ? How do I resolve unstability at 133/ 133?"
Finally, is you PSU Athlon approved? Two major reasons for problems with Athlons - heat and unstable power.
 
Im runnin at 1.3 on a FIC AD11 , 512 mg 2100 ram, Nvidia GForce mx200
 
webstop said:
c9-2001,
I run XP1800 at a nominal speed.
Memory should not be an issue, unless you mix different brands. Initially I used PC133, then switched to DDR2100 - no problems.
I've used Seasound SoloEX, Audiophile 2496 and currently - Delta1010 - no problems.
In my setup anything that I don't need (like integrated audio, USB etc.) is disabled in BIOS. Actually it may be worthwhile to check the BIOS for correct settings.
One useful link to visit: http://forum.ocworkbench.com/ocwbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=001477
The FAQ is little old but still contains interesting articles, like: " Why is my system unstable at 133/133 ? How do I resolve unstability at 133/ 133?"
Finally, is you PSU Athlon approved? Two major reasons for problems with Athlons - heat and unstable power.
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the psu is amd approved, its a 500watt psu at that.i just flashed the bios to the newest bios.. and as for my cmos.. everything i don't need is disabled..i also runa delta 1010... and i've never had a problem from the delta...its just running my xp2000 at its clock speed.
it seems some ppl have problems have with this mb.. i'm gonna switch the video card if i can this week, and if it doesn't help i'm gonna buy a nvidia chipset MB and a nvidia video card...
o and you hit it perfect.. my system is unstable at 133/133 but at 100/100 its fine.. even though i have pc133 memory??? i'll read thee article..

thanks to all of you for helping
 
i just read the troubleshooting
Monitor the CPU temperature from BIOS and see if it exceeds 60 Deg Celsius.
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mine never went over 46deg
check your CPU heatsink and make sure it is spec. up to support your processor
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i have a heatsink for a xp2200 with 2 very loud, hi rpm fans on it.. my cpu stays cool..
and i do have thermal paste vs the tape...
The third possible problem could be due to RAM used
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i have 1 stick of pc133 ram (512mb)
the last possibility is your PSU.
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my psu is amp approved though...
 
FWIW

I am running an XP 1800 with probably the most ancient of all ATI video cards. My mobo is an A7N8X...deluxe, (nvidia chipset). OS-XP PRO. Everything runs tickety-boo, so far.
 
c9-2001 said:
i just read the troubleshooting

mine never went over 46deg

i have a heatsink for a xp2200 with 2 very loud, hi rpm fans on it.. my cpu stays cool..
and i do have thermal paste vs the tape...

i have 1 stick of pc133 ram (512mb)

my psu is amp approved though...
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In your shoes I would also try another RAM chip. Cheap noname RAM can be unstable at maximum specs. Or maybe you simply have an unlucky faulty stick.

There is also quite informative exchange on all sorts of mobo problems, including AGP and 133/133 issues, at http://www.ecsusa.com/aboutUs/knowledgeBase.html
 
Slackmaster2K said:
Other companies???? Like who? Hahaha...ATI drivers suck eggs...they go from broken to less broken, not to mention they are just plain annoying. And they aren't really revised that often, and beta revisions aren't accessible to the public.

Slackmaster 2000
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Well, since NVidia and ATI are about the only two video chip makers left, I guess that means NVidia! I'm thinking about all those generic NVidia clone cards out there - good luck finding upgrades for your "Sun Moon Star Video Ace" card LOL! I guess you have to stick with reference drivers for life...

And I have indeed found beta "non certified" drivers on ATIs site, just not very common, and I'm not interested in being a guinea pig for them.

I think it just comes down to personal taste / dislikes. I used to hate ATI video cards years ago because their cards used the same memory address as COMM4, which seemed pretty stupid (they no longer do this, not that it really matters). I watch over a building full of ATI Rage cards, and have no problems. I've run through 3 Rage cards and 4 Radeon cards at home, the later all still in use. No problems.
 
It could be drivers but I gotta disagree with the newer the driver the better, try older drivers and newer.

I don't like ATI I've had them and returned them, Nvidia is my cup of tea but again sometimes older drivers may work better than newer.
HJ alert.
And if I could add:
Best Bang for the Buck.........Nvidia GeForce 3 Ti200 with coolbits added to the registry with a value of 3 then the never seen before clock frequency tab pops up from nowhere,Crank it because it is the same chip on the Ti 500......$ 100.00
Sorry
 
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