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Gus said:

Yeah that pretty much stated all the limitations and design issues discussed above. However I don't necessarily agree that 14V insufficiently supplies 6418. The datasheet has specs for 15V plate voltage. Now we can discuss all day long the effects of slightly low plate voltage (note this is much less of a difference than the typical starved plate 12AX7 design), but the fact of the matter is that the AT3060 is kinda known as a harmonic distortion generating mic. And that is why I love it so :)

Regarding why more designs aren't seen with submini tubes, I don't know. Clearly AT wasn't first, Gefell was, so why AT's patent makes them special I have no idea.
 
I see plenty of people on GS with UM900s. Everyone ive heard talk about them over there loves them..I guess a big reason that more people dont own one is due to cost constraints. They are quite pricey, and as with all of Gefell mics, the cost comes from top notch components and hand building..I have had the extreme fortune of using the UM900 on several occasions. My impression was that it is an EXTREMELY open, detailed microphone, with plenty of high end and fast transient response(not the case with a lot of tube designs). It still sounds tube-y(if I may say such a thing) but the effect is very, very subtle. IMHO, this is how it should be.If I did more solo vocal work, this microphone would no doubt be in my future. As I work with primarily orchestras and string quartets and the ilk, I dont have need for another vocal mic.

littledog said:
Ray, I wasn't intentionally making any personal attacks on you or your friends at Gefell. The information about using tiny tubes explains to some extent how they've skirted the power supply issue, so that is good to know.

I don't necessarily share the same intensity of admiration that you have for Gefell as a company. This comes from personal experience with some of their mics, which I think are ok - but not, for me at least, blowing me away.(I own an 800 and a 70s). But also, from conversations with one of their engineers who insisted that it was impossible to make a well designed stable microphone diaphragm with a thickness of less than 6 microns. Since the world's greatest authority on ultra-thin diaphragms recently died, someone else (with more pure engineering knowledge than me) will have to take up the torch on that argument.

But the real question for me is, how do the tiny tubes sound compared to "real" tubes? Is it just a gimmick, or is there a real design consideration for using them? And if it is a really great idea, how come we are not seeing them in more microphone models?

I guess I won't ever know until I have the chance to work with the 900 myself, and I haven't yet had that opportunity. Which leads to yet another question of why, given how cool it looks, do so few studios seem to own one of them? I'd be interested, Ray, in your impressions of the 900.
 
I have a friend, locally, who designed one that uses solar power.

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AT 4060 tube microphone

Actually the AT 4060 uses a mini tube ... Raytheon JAN6418 ....Maximum plate voltage of 30volts and runs quite well with 10ma at the filiment......the 48 volt phanton power is ample power the run the raytheon tube......


I have used many of these tubes in many situations ....

http://secure.oatleyelectronics.com...d=784&osCsid=d3d3ca8005049e50ba12e4c4372a1aa1

the link above is a kit that uses these little sweet valves with great results......I use this kit x 2 for stereo between Mixing desk and Computer ...with sometimes amazing results........
 
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