Arti's Party

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OK, I've only had my DAW for a little while now, and I'm a complete retard about mixing and production and such, but I like this one enough after having it lie around for a couple of weeks that I might as well put a pointer to it up here for scrutiny:
http://www.mindspring.com/~wolcott.oehler/music.htm

Thanks in advance...

-AlChuck
 
The second guitar gets lost when it comes in, wish it could come up more with that nice counter stuff.....I felt obliged to crank this on my home stereo, because I thought the bass sounds were a little too strong when I listened thru the comp speakers....but it was all better thru the big unit....nice tune...gibs
 
It felt like it needed a punchier guitar track to "define" the melody for the spacey background jam. Maybe three melodies to go with the three sections. I got to work right away with my SG and POD to show you what I mean. Please excuse my crappy technique. This is just an example of what direction I think this piece needs to take to give it some more melodic content. It's an excerpt from the 2nd section with SG/POD overlay. 1118 KB 192 Kbps .mp3 file.
http://members.home.net/drstawl/midi.html

Look for tune #6 in the MP3 Gallery.
 
DrStawl,

Thanks for doing that... neat idea. On first take I don't think it quite works -- much more askew that something I would ever think up, for one thing. The flavor of it reminded me of Zappa's playing on "Transylvania Boogie," if you have ever heard that. I'll sleep on it and listen again tomorrow (very wiped now, and sick with a bad cold too).

gibs,

Do you mean the second guitar with that descending scalar part against the "melody," or are you referring to the second guitar in the improv. section?

Your comments about the bass part are great -- I just listened to it in the living room on the home stereo and I'm afraid I have to agree with you. To me it sounded OK on my portable and everything sounds superb through the monitors -- I am only just learning to hear with good monitors (Alesis M1 Actives) and it'll take some learning.

Thanks, guys!

-AlChuck
 
Cool idea, I certainly wouldn't say your a "retard" about mixing or production. How much you wanna bet every guitarist hears another guitar part (I did too :D). What encoder are ya using... the highs sound mangled... a bit distorted (listen to the hats), and I don't think it's in your source mix. It's a good feel, I wanna hear more.

... oh yeah... I noticed Winamp listed the file as 48kHz. You might wanna stick with 44.1 as I'm not sure how good most decoders were ever tested at other sampling rates.

[This message has been edited by pglewis (edited 07-20-2000).]
 
Alchuck, the descending one, but the other one could come up a tad too....cool song...gibs
 
pglewis,

Thanks for the comments. I don't remember if I encoded it right from ACID or if I used Sound Forge, but I suspect they use the same encoder (it came as a plug-in). I just let it save with the defaults. I need to investigate how to play with those settings a little more. Is there an encoder you recommend?

gibs,

Thanks for the clarification. I might try another mix. I might try to improve the improv portion, too -- it goes on very nicely, I think, until the last few bars and then seems to waffle there a little; I'd like it to punch its way out rather than just kind of stand there...

-AlChuck
 
Groovy tune man. Very "Thriller" with some porno overtones. I liked it very much...but I can't comment too much on the production since I have a terrible ear, and am listening with little headphones :) I do think the bass could've used a bit more punch.

BTW, my Breakfast Robot is busted.

Slackmaster 2000
 
Theres some weird modulation stuff going on in the bass too, might actually be distortion or some encoding thingy there too. Mayeb it's just the very loud bassy bass line that messes things up.

Other than those issues it's great stuff. You da man!
 
Slackmaster2K,

Thanks... sorry about your robot. Good luck getting it serviced -- I hear the company went out of business.

regebro,

I'll have to listen back on the bass line. It's pretty busy... I wonder if encoding has more audible effects on sudden transients at certain frequencies???
 
I've been experimenting with MP3 encoding for a couple of years now-- quite a bit longer than I've been toying with the DAW. There are as many nuances to encoding MP3's as there are to mixing, it seems. I've give ya what I've picked up so far, maybe it'll save ya some time.

The bit-rate is an important indicator of the quality. The lower the bit-rate, the more information that has to be thrown away to save space, thus lower quality. Different encoders can produce very different results on the same source material. There are no real "rules" on how encoders decide what bits of the music to keep or throw away. All they have to do is create a stream that any standard decoder (player) can read. Since lower bit-rates must be more aggressive with throwing out information, you'll find the biggest differences among encoders at low bit-rates. As the bit rate goes up, the difference become less noticable. Just because one encoder is really good at some bit-rates, doesn't mean the same algorighms translate well to other bit-rates, either.

All that long-windedness aside... for high-quality encoding, I've been using LAME at 192kbps for a while, but I may switching to using variable bit rate (VBR) encoding with LAME from now on. All techie stuff aside, you get quite a bit better quality for just a little more disk space. In my testing so far, It would be a challenge to tell the difference from my source wavs if I was blindfolded (with a file size just slightly larger than one encoded at 192kbps). I put that in the "good thing" column. Check out http://www.r3mix.net/ Avoid Xing and BladeEnc at all costs, IMO.
 
Hey..pretty hip groove. Fusion/funk thingy...nice bass line and guit work.

I thought the overall sound and mix was very listenable. :)
 
pglewis,

Thank you thank you thank you for the tips. I will investgate.

ric,

Thank you! I appreciate it!

-AlChuck
 
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