ez_willis
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Andy Sturmer from Jellyfish? Has to be. Awesome band.
Andy Sturmer from Jellyfish? Has to be. Awesome band.
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Greg_L
Banned
I don't hate change. I hate stupidity. This is clearly just stupid. I don't need everything to be interesting or thought provoking. I'm prefectly fine with just calling something stupid, stupid.
thebigcheese
"Hi, I'm in Delaware."
Ha, well, suit yourself. One day, drummers will suspend the kick above their heads!
Rimshot
New member
You're on your own here buddy. I spent years learning to play with my kick and hat pedals.
I even played double kick drum and double pedals for a while, but I decided that it didn't sound right for my style of playing and muddied up the bass. I also like being innovative with the tempo and accents with the hats.
I have all of my toms cut shallow. My 16" floor tom (my largest tom) is only 11 1/2" deep. I play with a lot of acoustic instruments in clubs or restaurants that don't have
or want a 2000 watt sound system. If my toms aren't loud enough for larger gigs, I turn up the volume from the mics, voila.
I think it is entirely possible that somebody may come up with a different way of setting up the kit that will catch on, we've certainly had lots of new innovations over the years (double kick pedals,drop clutch, triggers, etc.) that have caught on. The drum kit is only almost a century old and in the first days, the drummer didn't have a pedal and would play the bass drum by hand. That changed very quickly and kick pedals` and the basic kit set-up has been as standard a a violinist holding the violin under the chin. Earlier forms had small bowed viols held vertically like a cello. But all of us have learned to play drums with this traditional set-up and it has become very natural, comfortable and effective. If it ain't broke................................. just saying
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dodgeaspen
New member
I don't think I'd like it. My legs aren't that long. HEHE
thebigcheese
"Hi, I'm in Delaware."
I think that's what I was saying, wasn't it? Just that it's worth considerin alternatives, even if you don't care for them after you've tried. The problem with trying new things is that you're so used to the old way that you tend to really hate the new way at first, but sometimes it will grow on you later. Sometimes it doesn't. Just sayin'.
I've been a drummer for many, many years myself, but I was in marching band for a long time and never quite got the hang of the kick drum (because I didn't have to worry about it). Maybe I could just recruit another percussionist whose main job is to smack a separate kick drum. Actually, now that I think about it, you could get some insanely fast metal drumming out of that, and it would look cool on stage... hmmm... (yes, I realize that's not a real solution to the problem)
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Dr.Darce
New member
Who cares?
1. The first thing a good drummer should know is that you do whatever works for you. He obviously has the kick to the side to make room for his deep toms. Whether they're for show, for sound or to just be different, makes no difference, It works for him.
Neil Pert had a big kit because he needs everything for what he plays. He also has an electronic kit on the back end, AND a Mallet KAT to get the rest of his sounds. That's ALL for the music. The 24k Gold hardware on everything, the crazy custom finish, the lack of ink on his cymbals, and the rotating riser, are for show. For neil, this works. For me, I don't even use all my toms. I use four pieces of a 1971 Camco kit. Pretty much the opposite of what neil goes for. But it works for me. And that's all that matters.
2. Some people have started to hit on this a little, but just to clear anything up i'll say it.
The pitch of a drum comes from the diameter. The larger the drum the lower its pitch will be. Lower sound waves are larger and are therefore harder to move. That is why small drums just kinda "cut" better than big drums. And it's also why drummers have to play big drums harder than small drums to get the same volume.
The depth contributes to resonance, sustain and volume. The shallower the drum the more resonance and sustain it will have. As it becomes deeper, it takes longer for the kinetic energy to go through the head then the shell and to the other head. The same is said for the sound waves. So when people talk about "power toms" (big deep toms) and that "DOOOoooo" sound, that comes from the sound waves not reaching and fully reacting with the resonant head.
Do whatever works. If you have to mount your 15x26" toms strait above your head to get the sound, look, feel. WHATEVER. If it works, it works.
End of story
1. The first thing a good drummer should know is that you do whatever works for you. He obviously has the kick to the side to make room for his deep toms. Whether they're for show, for sound or to just be different, makes no difference, It works for him.
Neil Pert had a big kit because he needs everything for what he plays. He also has an electronic kit on the back end, AND a Mallet KAT to get the rest of his sounds. That's ALL for the music. The 24k Gold hardware on everything, the crazy custom finish, the lack of ink on his cymbals, and the rotating riser, are for show. For neil, this works. For me, I don't even use all my toms. I use four pieces of a 1971 Camco kit. Pretty much the opposite of what neil goes for. But it works for me. And that's all that matters.
2. Some people have started to hit on this a little, but just to clear anything up i'll say it.
The pitch of a drum comes from the diameter. The larger the drum the lower its pitch will be. Lower sound waves are larger and are therefore harder to move. That is why small drums just kinda "cut" better than big drums. And it's also why drummers have to play big drums harder than small drums to get the same volume.
The depth contributes to resonance, sustain and volume. The shallower the drum the more resonance and sustain it will have. As it becomes deeper, it takes longer for the kinetic energy to go through the head then the shell and to the other head. The same is said for the sound waves. So when people talk about "power toms" (big deep toms) and that "DOOOoooo" sound, that comes from the sound waves not reaching and fully reacting with the resonant head.
Do whatever works. If you have to mount your 15x26" toms strait above your head to get the sound, look, feel. WHATEVER. If it works, it works.
End of story
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NewAgeMuttLange
New member
the way I have my kit set up with three floor toms (14, 16, 18) with the kick on the left side and play left foot/right hand lead. So basically left/right hybrid kinda kit. but when i was big into prog/metal my dream kit was to have a double bass setup with the kicks on the outside of the kit so you could see the foot patterns :-D show-offy yes.... but it'd look cool..
-Paul
-Paul
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SlowerHand
Member
This guy seems to be able to set up his drumkit in a fairly traditional way. These are of the really deep kind of drums. No need to pull any of these weird trick with double kick pedals.
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Greg_L
Banned
Right. People get way too dumb about drum setups.
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dintymoore
Guest
This guy seems to be able to set up his drumkit in a fairly traditional way. These are of the really deep kind of drums. No need to pull any of these weird trick with double kick pedals.
Ya, ya I got the drum part no problem, but what do I have to do to get my hair to go like that when I play?
saads
Baka
stevesmith99
New member
Yeah, but that doesn't really mean anything. Everyone's always told that drums are supposed to be set up the way they normally are, so everyone learns to play them that way. So, not surprisingly, a good 99% of drummers are going to have them set up basically the same way, so of course the best drummers are going to do it that way. When you think about it, though, his setup is still basically the same. All the toms and cymbals are in the normal spots. It's not really any weirder than putting the hats on the right (which I've often thought might be better) or the ride on the left or the the middle tom flat with the floor tom to make room for the ride. None of those are "standard," but they all work.
So yes, I'd say you're old fashionedBut you are also probably right that they are mostly doing it for show.
Well IMO I would say ....
Drums didn't start off in the traditional set up we all know now. They eventually got to those positions because through time drummers found that the traditional set up we all know is probably the best ergonomically way to play them. (this is an opinion, no way am i saying this is fact)
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SlowerHand
Member
The same goes for getting your hair like that. Aside from growing the required amount of hair, obviously.Douglas Adams in "The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy" said:
DrewPeterson7
Sage of the Order
Well, aside from that, it also totally fucks with the stereo spread in your overheads, having the kick all the way off to one side. You could probably compensate somewhat by offsetting the close mic on it in the other direction, but I'd think even then it'd sound weird...
dastrick
huh???
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Rimshot
New member
I found this early video of Dave Grohl playing a drum solo.
I think he sounds about the same now
I think he sounds about the same now
TheChikenMaster
I'm Unbalanced
saads
Baka
Rimshot
New member
You need to see Them Crooked Vultures
They have a pretty good bass player in that group, now all they need is a good drummer, guitarist and singer.
