Anyone need an old multitrack separated?

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SouthSIDE Glen said:
Nope. He wanted "a week or two" to work on it. It's been about 1 1/2 months now and he's not responded in public or in private in any way.
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Well you know, from the sound of it he was messing with some pretty dangerous shit. ;)

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I'm back! After all that, I lost a lot of enthusiasm for this, but I still didn't want to leave you guys without some sort of examples.

The Beatles - All My Loving (No Guitar)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t1DKLoamrc

The Beatles - All My Loving (No Bass)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKtdsLeyyRU

The Beatles - All My Loving (No Drums)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBN8Np9GOZE

Sorry for all the shit I caused earlier, no hard feelings hopefully.

(BTW, check my channel for other examples.)

Glen, I might check your track out again. :)
 
Listening to those tracks, I can still faintly hear the missing track, especially on the drum one, and I was listening at a pretty quiet volume.

And the guitar one. Its....still there. Maybe slightly quieter, but its still there.
 
According to the folks who market the prog it has the following Applications:

* removal of unwanted noises like sneezing, chair squeaks, coughs, car horns, coins and keys falling down, hits, bumps, rumbles, ringing of a cell phone etc.
* correction of instrumental tracks by removing scratches (guitar, violin), wrong notes, rustle of music sheets, breathing, lip-smacks and microphone pops of a vocalist, pedals of an organ
* restoration of old recordings by removing scratches and dropouts
* cleaning up location records for film and TV from environmental noises
* removal of heavy hum and buzz
* cleaning up poor recorded dialogs and telephone cuts to be restored for forensic purposes
* elimination of ultrasonic disturbances from DSD recordings
* increasing speech intelligibility in heavy forensic cases, even when the signal-to-noise ratio is around 0 dB
I sussed it out a while back for vinyl restoration but decided against it on price, ease of use and CPU power points. I stuck with Waverepair as it does basically the same without the colourful & power hungry screens.
I listened to the Beatles track sans drums & there's an effect simialr to low res MP3 on the vox as well as a hole in the bass sound where the bass drum would have been. the guitarless one still has guitar - quite clearly & when the solo comes in ALL credibility goes out the window. It's the Beatles with a bundle of frequencies removed from the entire recording. That & a faint hiss in the background from the cymbals means nice trick but no Kupiedoll I'm afraid.
It's a good program for cleaning up recordings but is WAY TOO expensive even for that.
 
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ez_willis said:
the technology has it's niche, i'm sure. home recording isn't it.
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then again, there was a time when some urban city kid told an experienced and successful audio engineer and producer that he was gonna make a million dollars using other people's LP's and a couple of turntables.

just because SSG don't see it, and i don't see it, doesn't mean someone won't see it, and you're not spamming the place, so what's the big deal?
 
I gotta' say, I'm way more impressed than I thought I'd be.
 
boblybob said:
Any opinions Glen?
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I'm still waiting for you to work on the file I gave you. Since that old blues tune, I haven't heard you offer anything that wasn't mixed and mastered at best in 60's-style discrete LCR and could be be largely separated by starting with variations on MS decoding, or taken from a California video game developer with access to copies of the masters. And all of which could be done a lot faster than three months.

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
I'm still waiting for you to work on the file I gave you. Since that old blues tune, I haven't heard you offer anything that wasn't mixed and mastered at best in 60's-style discrete LCR and could be be largely separated by starting with variations on MS decoding, or taken from a California video game developer with access to copies of the masters. And all of which could be done a lot faster than three months.

G.
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That's the problem, I'm trying to show the idea of separating songs, but I don't know jack about how to mix properly. I'm 17, still learning as I go along doing these. I'm mixing on a laptop with $20 skullcandy headphones!
 
boblybob said:
That's the problem, I'm trying to show the idea of separating songs, but I don't know jack about how to mix properly. I'm 17, still learning as I go along doing these. I'm mixing on a laptop with $20 skullcandy headphones!
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Boblybob,

Though you might think otherwise, I have nothing against you personally and have no intention of treating you with the disdain and disrespect most of the 17-yr-old "regulars" around here treat old-timers like me. I say the following only to try and put and end to this embarrassment.

As someone who's been doing this stuff since fourteen years before you were born, I can tell you that you are mistakenly barking up an empty tree with what you are trying to accomplish. Your thought that "all the data is there" and therefore can be separated is fallacious. It's like saying that you can breathe underwater without SCUBA because there's still oxygen in the water. Maybe someday, but not today. While we know how to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen using electricity, but that technology does not yet exist in audio editing technology - at least not to the degree that you believe it does.

And it certainly cannot be gotten by stealing $2500 worth of software.

This is exactly why you have not ponied up on your promise to separate my file to spec - because it cannot be done the way you're trying to do it. And no, it's not a trick file or anything like that, I could rattle off without even breaking a sweat a dozen songs of all different styles and genres that you could grab off of iTunes and try to separate and grandly fail. Not because of any shortcomings on your part, but simply because it cannot be done the way you think it can be done.

What about those video games and the Fab Four? Well, I have two probable guesses: first, *if* you did separate those yourself, it was a matter of four (or not many more than that) tracks or so of recording already split into three discrete channels - left, center, and right. This was common in Beatles releases, and means that most of the "separation" work has already been done for you. A little purposeful channel selection combined with simple mid/side decoding can pull those out a great deal right there.

Second, I have some strong suspicions that the folks at Rock Hero and Guitar Hero have in many cases gotten access to copies of original multitrack tapes from the studios or labels or artists with whom they have signed to do their songs. In fact it would be easy for me or you or I to create fake stereo remixes by accessing these tracks as they exist in the video games, and then pretend that we did it by separating the tracks with a spectra editor. Where such tapes were unavailable, or where there were only mono masters, they do their best with existing technology, which is where we wind up with the messy examples provided earlier, where the separation was far from clean and artifacting badly.

Of course you can prove me wrong tomorrow if you provide clean separations of the stereo file I sent you, in which case I will be eating major crow. But I have a very high degree of confidence that that's not what's going to happen, and so do you. Why not just learn the reality of audio physics and move on from that? Oh yeah, and please stop stealing software.

G.
 
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Blimey. This is better than "Perry Mason" and "Columbo" combined.
 
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