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sas
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I'm having trouble with finding the menu for setting up MIDI rcvr channels
BTW pls explain 2 Roland terms
Performance
PArt
Thanks
BTW pls explain 2 Roland terms
Performance
PArt
Thanks
rjt
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Well, it kind of depends on what keyboard you have, where you'll find the midi receive channels. I may not be able to help you there as I have an XV-5080 and that's about the only one I can tell you about.
A part in Roland-speak responds to one midi channel and in many of their newer keyboards, can have up to four voices. It corresponds, in many ways, to what a patch was in the old days. The four voices can make for pretty complex sounds, like a part could be called "Pad Piano" and include a piano sound and a string sound and a vocal sound.
A performance, is usually 16 of these parts. If you want to do multi-timbral sequencing (e.g., bass on channel 1, brass on 2, piano on 3) you would use a performance. So you could put the "pad piano" mentioned above on channel 4 and play it only on that channel with your sequencer. In order to make even bigger and more complex sounds, Roland now allows you to create "super patches" with your performances..... by assigning the different parts the same midi channel.
Hope that helps.... if it is confusing, this isn't quite as accurate, but simpler:
part is one instrument, performance is for sequencing.
Take Care
A part in Roland-speak responds to one midi channel and in many of their newer keyboards, can have up to four voices. It corresponds, in many ways, to what a patch was in the old days. The four voices can make for pretty complex sounds, like a part could be called "Pad Piano" and include a piano sound and a string sound and a vocal sound.
A performance, is usually 16 of these parts. If you want to do multi-timbral sequencing (e.g., bass on channel 1, brass on 2, piano on 3) you would use a performance. So you could put the "pad piano" mentioned above on channel 4 and play it only on that channel with your sequencer. In order to make even bigger and more complex sounds, Roland now allows you to create "super patches" with your performances..... by assigning the different parts the same midi channel.
Hope that helps.... if it is confusing, this isn't quite as accurate, but simpler:
part is one instrument, performance is for sequencing.
Take Care
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sas
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Thanks
I'm having difficulty getting it to respond to a MIDI input. Initially it was the metronome in Sonar. But I eventually just brought my Boss DR770over to provide a steady MIDI input.
I turned the keyboard local off, and the remote on
I set the XV GM on
I dumped the output of the DR-770 into the MIDI in port & got zip
I am assuming that I have not properly advised the XV that it should be receiving MIDI on Channel 10, though I've set about everything with a channle # to channel 10.
I am extremely irritated that something this simple is not described in the manual
I'm having difficulty getting it to respond to a MIDI input. Initially it was the metronome in Sonar. But I eventually just brought my Boss DR770over to provide a steady MIDI input.
I turned the keyboard local off, and the remote on
I set the XV GM on
I dumped the output of the DR-770 into the MIDI in port & got zip
I am assuming that I have not properly advised the XV that it should be receiving MIDI on Channel 10, though I've set about everything with a channle # to channel 10.
I am extremely irritated that something this simple is not described in the manual
rjt
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Well, it probably is described in the manual, but some of the terms are slightly technical. For example, a dump generally refers to a sysex dump.... which is a universal method of saving (and if you are smart and know what you are doing [I am not sure how] of manipulating that data) so why you would do a sysex dump of your drum machine is puzzling to me.... unless it is a question of terminology.
So, put your XV in performance mode. Select the sound you want as the metronome in slot #10 or assign one of the slots to midi channel 10. I would look up "Performance mode" in the manual. Roland manuals are, unfortunately, not noted for being the clearest things in the universe. Between that and occasional technical language, it can be frustrating.... hang in there!
Take Care
So, put your XV in performance mode. Select the sound you want as the metronome in slot #10 or assign one of the slots to midi channel 10. I would look up "Performance mode" in the manual. Roland manuals are, unfortunately, not noted for being the clearest things in the universe. Between that and occasional technical language, it can be frustrating.... hang in there!
Take Care
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lumbago
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A performance is when you want to use up to 16 patches, each on a separate or similar midi channel. By default, the first patch listens to midi channel 1, the second patch to channel 2 and so on up to 16.
Each patch-channel is a Part.
Each patch-channel is a Part.
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tedluk
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[rant]
Let's just say it right out loud-
ROLAND MANUALS SUCK!
I have vowed to never purchase another piece of Roland gear for this, among other reasons.
Their documentation is almost always crap! Strange, they never have any problems writing their ads, do they? Admittedly, sometimes they are pretty humorous. If I remember correctly, my TB303 manual warned against "idiotic operation".
Also, I have always found that, on the surface, Roland products look awesome. You read the reviews, listen to the sales guys and you think, "Wow!! It can do THAT???" You get all excited and then you find out that there's always a "gotcha". I bought a JV1010 because salesmen told me it was capable of producing 16 multitimbral parts and it cost less than $500.00. I was stoked. Got it home and found out that no one could figure out how to actually get it to do this. It's so difficult to operate that no one even tries to use it multitimbrally! One of my earliest pieces of Roland gear was a little "4" track digital sequencer. "Cool!", I thought. Until I found out that each track was recorded on top of the previous one. IOW, if you make any mistakes in any track you have to re-record EVERYTHING. So, in reality, it was a ONE track sequencer with limited overdub capabilities. Worthless. I have found this to be the case with EVERY SINGLE PIECE of Roland gear I have ever owned and there have been a lot of them. And it's always something simple that it should be able to do. [/rant]
Ok, I feel better now.
On to your question SAS. What module do you have? Did I miss it somewhere?
Are you trying to simply get it to respond on one MIDI channel or multitimbrally? Channel 10 is usually used for percussion. I'm not sure, but in GM mode, you might not be able to change that assignment.
Tell us specifically what module and what you are trying to accomplish. Someone will know the answer.
Ted
Let's just say it right out loud-
ROLAND MANUALS SUCK!
I have vowed to never purchase another piece of Roland gear for this, among other reasons.
Their documentation is almost always crap! Strange, they never have any problems writing their ads, do they? Admittedly, sometimes they are pretty humorous. If I remember correctly, my TB303 manual warned against "idiotic operation".
Also, I have always found that, on the surface, Roland products look awesome. You read the reviews, listen to the sales guys and you think, "Wow!! It can do THAT???" You get all excited and then you find out that there's always a "gotcha". I bought a JV1010 because salesmen told me it was capable of producing 16 multitimbral parts and it cost less than $500.00. I was stoked. Got it home and found out that no one could figure out how to actually get it to do this. It's so difficult to operate that no one even tries to use it multitimbrally! One of my earliest pieces of Roland gear was a little "4" track digital sequencer. "Cool!", I thought. Until I found out that each track was recorded on top of the previous one. IOW, if you make any mistakes in any track you have to re-record EVERYTHING. So, in reality, it was a ONE track sequencer with limited overdub capabilities. Worthless. I have found this to be the case with EVERY SINGLE PIECE of Roland gear I have ever owned and there have been a lot of them. And it's always something simple that it should be able to do. [/rant]
Ok, I feel better now.
On to your question SAS. What module do you have? Did I miss it somewhere?
Are you trying to simply get it to respond on one MIDI channel or multitimbrally? Channel 10 is usually used for percussion. I'm not sure, but in GM mode, you might not be able to change that assignment.
Tell us specifically what module and what you are trying to accomplish. Someone will know the answer.
Ted
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sas
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tedluk said:
That sounded like my rant!!
Microprocessors!!
Those Friggin devices that require some random goofball combination of button pushes to operate. These may or may not be accompanied by cryptic little messages.
Some of these I can do OK with, but just irritate me like the setback thermostat or the lawn sprinkler timers, or the dreaded digital clocks (one in the VCR, one on the stove, one on the f%$#kin microwave, one in the Buick, one in the Van and the list goes on.......................)
Some of them I am very definitely NOT OK with!!!!!!!!!!
Digital watches. I have none because I can't set the time. My youngest boy brought me his last night to set one of his 5 alarms, 5 #$%@*!! alarms thats for F#%#@IN CHILI, not a wristwatch. WHO NEEDS 5 %#$%@*!! ALARMS???
Through some MIRACLE I got an alrm set (which will now go off every morning at 8AM for an hour for the life of the watch as no one will ever figure out how to turn the motherf#@%$#@er off.
Any Roland device.
I have a XV-88 synth WHICH IS SO HORRIBLE I HAD TO DESCRIBE ITS FAILURES (or mine) IN ITS OWN THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a Roland GR-33 that has been useable ONLY BECAUSE I HAVEN"T TRIED TO EXPORT OR IMPORT ANY MIDI FUNCTIONS!!!!!!
These guys irritate me further because
1. THE MANUALS SUCK
2. THEY HAVE NO USERS FORUM
3. THE DO NOT INCLUDE AN EMAIL ADDRESS ON THEIR POORLY DESIGNED POS WEBSITE. Probably cause ALL THEY GET IS HATEMAIL
Any KORG device (see ROLAND)
Would it kill these people to set up a digital interface with a computer that would allow you to control the device from a piece of proprietary software with Pull down menu's and real explanations??
And I felt better after my rant too
My wife is a keyboardist. I...am a gutarist...OK can the laghter. K has several keyboards. I used to use her N-1 for my Midi tasks. It is now at church, so my familiar buddy was gone. We were recording from the Alesis to Sonar & wanted to use the metronome in sonar to keep the tempo set in the piece so the score would be correct.
The Alesis is an electric piano & won't percuss w/o a card. With the N-1 gone I figgered I'd take the MIDI thru from the Alesis & dump it into the XV-88 so I could hear the MIDI Metronome .
The Midi Metronome is on CH 10 (percussion) and I figgered I'd just set the old XV to ch 10 or Omni & voila. after 15 minutes I replaced the Midi input to the XV with my drum machine (also ch 10) to keep a steady stream of MIDI into the Roland while I trial & errored my way to nowhere. I gave up after about 4 hrs & looked for an after market instruction manual
None found
I tried to email Roland, no email
Tried to find a Roland User Forum, no forum
Ended up here
I gotta find another approach
If I had the $$ I'd ditch the Roland for a Triton
I am not buying anything else Roland
rjt
New member
Okay, going half and half here. Roland manuals suck.... no question there.... they are the butt of many jokes and much frustration. However, lots of manuals suck.... ever read one by Yamaha? Let's face it, these are complicated pieces of gear.... but you'd think they'd spend a bit more time on the manual!!!
Anyway, I have had a fair amount of Roland geat in my life. Most of it has been pretty good. I love the XV5080 and wouldn't trade it for anything. Have 6 expansion boards in it. Wouldn't think of getting another hardware synth for a long time because of everything it will do. It may be the SALESMEN are to blame for what they say.... I once overheard a saleswoman tell someone looking at a digital piano that each note!! was sampled at 128 different velocities!! Soooooo. You've got to take all these people with a big grain of salt.
That being said. The Roland will do what you want SAS.... will take some effort, but I empathize.... no fun learning this stuff.
Take Care
Anyway, I have had a fair amount of Roland geat in my life. Most of it has been pretty good. I love the XV5080 and wouldn't trade it for anything. Have 6 expansion boards in it. Wouldn't think of getting another hardware synth for a long time because of everything it will do. It may be the SALESMEN are to blame for what they say.... I once overheard a saleswoman tell someone looking at a digital piano that each note!! was sampled at 128 different velocities!! Soooooo. You've got to take all these people with a big grain of salt.
That being said. The Roland will do what you want SAS.... will take some effort, but I empathize.... no fun learning this stuff.
Take Care