Anti-Latency

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Mixing and Mastering.
When I record into Cubase SX3 I find that the waves I record are usually ahead of where they are meant to be. So I have to move them to the right slightly for them to be in sync with the click and/or backing tracks.

Anyone have this same problem and have any ideas on how to fix it?
I cant seem to find how to change the buffer size.

Cheers,
Eck
 
it helps if you post your soundcard and computer specs
 
adjusting some shit in "devices< device setup< vst audio bay< expert" might help.
 
Sound card is Soundblaster Audigy 2.
1 Gig ram, 200 Gig HardDrive (sata).
Cheap Motherboard.
Windows XP.

Ill check device set up, but im sure thats where I tried to change the buffer size, but couldnt seem to.

Cheers,
Eck
 
Well the main problem is your soundcard. Audigy cards are fixed rate (16 bit 48 kHz) to which other rates are converted to on the fly. This causes chaos for DAW apps. Try using some of the freeware asio drivers for the audigy (http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/ or asio4all.com), those will allow you to adjust the buffer to get better latencies for recording but dont expect too much, you have the worst possible soundcard possible for audio
 
altitude909 said:
Well the main problem is your soundcard. Audigy cards are fixed rate (16 bit 48 kHz) to which other rates are converted to on the fly. This causes chaos for DAW apps. Try using some of the freeware asio drivers for the audigy (http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/ or asio4all.com), those will allow you to adjust the buffer to get better latencies for recording but dont expect too much, you have the worst possible soundcard possible for audio
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Sorry, I dont understand the "fixed rate (16 bit 48kHz)" part. It says on the soundcard 24bit 96kHz. I can change the recording and playback settings to "ensure proper bitrate conversion" (or something like that). I have no access to the computer at the moment as Im at home and its in the studio.

Ill check out those drivers.
lol! The worst soundcard? Nice. ;)

Cheers,
Eck
 
I can't say what it is, but I used to record with an Audigy. And although it's not be the card of choice, I defintely know that what you are experiencing is not just 'because it an Audigy'.

Latency can be changed (i think) through Devices>VST Audiobay>control panel
 
I went to Devices - Device setup - ASIO multimedia Driver.

ps. THis is my personal computer as I cant access the one at the studio for now.

It says input Latency is: 110.000ms
and output latency is: 749.932ms
There is no option to change the latency although I did find an unchecked box that says "Release ASIO Driver in Background"
Does anyone know what this means?

Cheers,
Eck
 
That is a claim made by creative and not completely true (just google it for more info). It can play back whatever format up to 24/96 but the convertors are fixed at 16/48 and so everything thing is converted on the hardware. Ever notice that cubase tells you that rate was changed to 48K?

You can get an Audiophile for less than $100 us new which works WAY better and yes the worst, just do a search here on audigy if you want to see the scope of the problems with these cards. Good for gaming, crap for music
 
Cheers for the info man.
Ive never had the thing saying changed to 48k with any Audigy soundcards.

Looks like I need to try and upgrade. Suppose I was just being a cheap skate by getting Audigy soundcards! Payed like £35 ($70).

Peace,
Eck
 
ecktronic said:
Cheers for the info man.
Ive never had the thing saying changed to 48k with any Audigy soundcards.

Looks like I need to try and upgrade. Suppose I was just being a cheap skate by getting Audigy soundcards! Payed like £35 ($70).

Peace,
Eck
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Dude, that latency CANNOT be right. I used that card a couple years ago and never had those kind of latency problems. Check the device driver, If you're using a "windows" driver or some crap instead of the one for your actual audio card you'll get crappy latency like that.

Also, if you're trying to do paid mixing then GET RID OF THAT CARD IMMEDIATELY. Buy ANYTHING else that's meant for recording, even low end m-audio or whatever, and you'll thank me later.
 
Im using the driver for the Audigy 2.
I just dont understand why the recorded stuff ends up earlier than its meant to be. Usually latency is later than its meant to be.
Is this something to do with latency of the playback rather than the recording?

Ill check that article after mee Crimbo dinner. :P

Eck
 
In order for your new tracks to end up "early", I would imagine that Cubase may be having a problem communicating properly with your sound card and as a result is getting misreported latency readings which is causing the automatic delay compensation to be incorrect. However, this is just speculation and a guess based on my own (quite possibly poor) logic.
 
OK I've loaded up Cubase on my Audigy install (still use it for games and movies). Don't use the ASIO multimedia. It SUCKS. The latency is awful. I just put it on that and I'm getting 109ms in and something like 750ms out :eek: I think that one comes with Cubase when you install it....

You should have the options for somethng similar to 'SB Audigy 2 ZS ASIO' and 'SB Audigy 2 ZS ASIO 24/96'. Use the latter if you want to use 24bit/96khz., and the former if you don't. The latency from those drivers is far more respectable. With the buffer at 50 I'm getting latency of 50in 50 out. I think when I used to use my Audigy for recording, I could get the buffer down to maybe 10-20 (if my memory serves me correctly...it might not!) There is also 'Creative ASIO', which also has a similar latency. Seriously don't use the multimedia one tho. It sucks big fat donkey balls.
 
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