antares vocal producer

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Blue Bear Sound said:
I don't remember ever hearing that -- as a matter of fact, it almost doesn't make sense, since the Autotune wasn't in production at the time the Cher song was released.........

And guaranteed if you're new product was a major contributor to a large hit, Antares marketing department would have definitely capitalized on it.......

"Yes - you too could have that same vocal sound used on recent megahits!"
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Here's the manual to the Antares AVP-1
http://www.antares-systems.com/downloads/AVP_Manual.pdf

Page 58 .
Peace.
Carmen
:)
 
Every time I tried to use Autotune, I hear a change in the color of the vocals. For a word here and there I would use it but for vocal lines - never.

I droped it and don't intend to use it any more.
 
Shailat said:
Every time I tried to use Autotune, I hear a change in the color of the vocals. For a word here and there I would use it but for vocal lines - never.
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I fully agree -- the only time I use it is to replace a single word here or there -- never a whole line.... or worse, a whole lyric!

It really does color the timbre of the voice........... a perfect example is dachay2tnr's recent "Pro Mastering" comparison thread..........
 
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Definately it should be used surgicly. Other wise you get munchkin vocal.
 
Like I mentioned earlier... its actually in the insert of my mic pre all the time... BUT also as I mentioned earlier, it is set so that it is as transparent as possible.

I too sometimes can hear coloration on certain words etc... but the benefit of the tigther track is nice... and the coloration is not bad per se... just different from the original source.

One thing however that DOES bother me, is that Antares must have their input and their meter calibrated differently than Presonus, as I have to crank the input of my pre WAYYYYY down in order to keep from overloading the Antares... which of course does not have an input control or a pad of any sort.

Velvet Elvis
 
If I'm not mistaken - its gain structure is fixed for -10 operation - a problem if you're trying to interface it with a +4 mixer!

There's no way around this save for a passive resistor network or a transformer to pad the signal down...

That's one of the reasons it's not an expensive unit! (lack of +4 gain structure and balanced I/O)
 
Velvet Elvis said:
I too sometimes can hear coloration on certain words etc... but the benefit of the tigther track is nice... and the coloration is not bad per se... just different from the original source.
Velvet Elvis
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Velvet - for some of the people I work with, even a drop of coloration isnt exceptable.

What I had meant in coloration is what you mentioned. It doesnt even have to be something drastic. Even a small surgical change
can color the vocals.

For B. vox, autotune can actully come in handy to tune them up and even a bit of coloration won't effect the general feeling.
 
Bear,

Not sure about the gain structure... the manual doesn't say (strange) but the I/O is balanced (at least on the ATR-1a model).

Shailat,

I wouldn't use it of course for those clients... but on the other hand there are many clients as well who appreciate the extra help. I know I'm not alone here, because you can here this thing alllll over pop radio. Probably at least 40% of what's out there. With 25% of them using it as an effect (which I can't stand btw).

Anyhow... not hear to argue or make enemies... I'm just saying the thing is definitely worth having around, whether you use it to save time, fix single notes, correct entire lyrics, be an effect etc.

Peace? Good will to all? Rock on!? ;-)

Velvet Elvis
 
Velvet Elvis said:
I'm just saying the thing is definitely worth having around, whether you use it to save time, fix single notes, correct entire lyrics, be an effect etc.

Velvet Elvis
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No question about it. Some are so hopeless that only autotune will save the day....It's worth having around.
 
MISTERQCUE said:
SHAILAT'S IN 'DA HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool: :cool: :eek: :cool: :cool: :) :cool: :cool: :p ;) :eek: :cool:
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Shailats in Da house
He raps like a mouse
He's a smokin real dude
well he is a jew(D)

:D :) :confused: :eek: :rolleyes: :( :mad:


Shit.....I'm so uncool......I have a dream...I'm backing James Brown at the apollo hammering away on my B3...on my knees...screeching in the mic with him.....only to wake up and see I'm backing Samual Goldenblum and Da "three oy veys" in a old age home in florida......

So uncool...so uncool....
 
bwhahahahahaha... that's pretty humorous...

I always dream that there is a good reason that I spend every red cent I earn on a bunch of equipment to make me a least pose as an almost real musician :)

But then I too wake up... only to find that I still wake up to punch the clock daily....

Oy VEY!!!!! ;-)

Velvet Elvis
 
Vel........ it may be balanced, but I'm still pretty sure it's a -10dBV device -- meaning sending a +4 signal into is going to hit the inputs pretty hard......
 
Personally, I think autotune can be used, AND IS being used, without anyone the wiser. You overdo anything..sure you can hear it. Can you always hear compression? Bullshit to the person who says they can.

I'm sorry...but this " I can hear all this shit, and it sucks" attitude just really rubs me the wrong way. Damn, what ever happened to the value of enjoyment?
 
mixmkr said:
Personally, I think autotune can be used, AND IS being used, without anyone the wiser.
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Well of course it's being used... if used sparingly to fix a bum note here and there - sure... it'll be fine........!
 
mixmkr said:
Personally, I think autotune can be used, AND IS being used, without anyone the wiser. You overdo anything..sure you can hear it. Can you always hear compression? Bullshit to the person who says they can.

I'm sorry...but this " I can hear all this shit, and it sucks" attitude just really rubs me the wrong way. Damn, what ever happened to the value of enjoyment?
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We disscussed this before here at the BBS but you might have missed it.

Lets speak of value that you brought up.

When an artist come to a studio and pays $50 an hour as he/she is looking for the best they can find in gear/rooms/engineer/attitude, it is usualy becuase they want the best for their art. They hold their song ans the most precious jewel. They don't want you to slap together some tracks and make it sound "enjoyable" and they don't say things like "ahh...what the hell nobody can hear it....so what if the color is different".
I'll tell you what they say - " Fuck why does that word sound different to ME.

If I was to answer them "Hey dont worry...nobody can hear the difference", I wouyld either get fired or punched in the face or simply told the truth.
Whats the truth? - If you cut corners becuase nobody can hear it then it never ends and you will cut here and then there and somebody will hear it. When you take your job seriously
in the audio field then you treat it as a art form and not a burger joint were if the bun isnt sitting well it's no big deal.

Many of the cilents I work with DO care and wont take "nobody can hear it" or "hey the song still grooves so leave it" as an answer. They want it to groove and to sound good all way through. If it can be fixed then why not fix it properly?.
It's their baby and they dont want a half assed job and bottom line is - their right.

I have no doubt that Autotune can come in as a usefull tool but
when a singer CAN fix their line they Should ! and not resort to autotune which should be a solution for those that simply cant.
 
I agree with you Shailat........ but I have had clients kinda of come in, do the Frank Sinatra-parody thing (I'm in, I'm out - 1 take) and then tell me -- yeah just cut it up and make it work.......

Hell, they're f*ckin' payin' me so -- it was their choice!! Half an hour/an hour to do a couple more takes I could comp together, or several hours cutting/pasting/p-shifting notes together - you do the math!! Oh well.... their bill!!

:D
 
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