anolog to digital

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OK this might be a really stupid question. I currently have a msr-24 and a mackie 32-8. I have the mackie "ottomation" which is really more of a pain than anything else. I was mixing to cd until my cdrw-700 bit the dust. Which really got me thinking. I've been pretty happy with this set-up for the ease and speed I can rip of my demos-songwriter/ gtrst-. When I do more elaborite recordings I get pretty decent sound for a 1" 24trk but wish I had editing capabilities. So here is my question... Would it be stupid for me to record to my 24 trk like I have been, then convert it and edit/mix digital? Am I defeating the purpose of keeping the anolog for it's sound? If this is a good idea which ad/da should I use? I've seen the SSL X-logic and Mark of the Unicorn 24 I/O, two different ends of the price spectrum so I imagine there are some pretty significant differences. I've grew up on anolog and really don't know much about the digital. :confused:
 
It would just be a different syastem and would take some getting used to. One way is not really better than the other since you are really comparing apples to oranges. If you have a 24 track you like, I would still track to that, or even just through it. Then I would make sure you have good converters for the pass to digital and if you want to still mix in a hybrid analog/digital domain. If you want a really nice set of converters without completely breaking the bank, you could get an Auroroa 16 and an Aurora 8 and an Apogee Big Ben. This will set you back just over 6k but it gives you 24 channels of A/D and D/A that are noticably nicer than anything MOTU or M-Audio etc... can do. If you really can not spend the money, the other converters are not that bad, just not nearly as nice:) AIn any event adding a Big Ben clock to the converters (about $1300) will make a noticable improvement.
 
OK, great info thanks. What is it that would make the Aurora's noticably better than MOTU or other units? What exactly does the Big Ben clock do? Sorry, if these are dumb questions :o
 
I would take a look @ RME. I own the multiface II. It has been very solid. You could use two of them but you would have to get an adat converter like the Alesis AI3 to get the extra 8 I/O. For those three peices your looking at $2300.00 or so.

With two adat converters you would have 32 channels of I/O.

I believe you can use up to 3 multifaces in one computer. Who needs 48 channels though?
 
Bob Katz in his book says that external clocks do more harm than good, you would be better off spending it on the converter in the first place
 
analog to digital

I have an OTARI 1/2" 8 track and a Roland VS2480
You can get the same analog sound by bumping over to digital because your sound is already captured by analog- the digital will simply faithfully reproduce it. 2480 is hard to beat with used ones in the $1500 range- the mastering suites in it are great. 24 channels, 396 virtual channels- Or, alternatively, go to the computer where the world is also wide open.
Tulsa Mike
 
I have to respectfully disagree with a lot of what is being recommended here.

First, I love RME. However, the RME converters in the Multiface are just barely a step up from those in the MOTU units. A pair of Fireface 800's may do the trick though.

Second, not everything Bob Katz says is gold. Not only this, but there have actually been many advancements in technology since his book was written. I am not going to sit here and debate Bob, but his opinion on this issue is vastly a minority opinion. When you get to stuff like Prism dream converters, Weiss and Lavry gold, then maybe the Big Ben will not make an improvement, but then you are also spending more than $1000 per channel of conversion. The aurora 16 channel with a Big Ben is closer to $150 or less per channel but still offers a noticable improvement over other similar priced and less expensive converter setups.

Third, bumping over to digital will not give the same analog sound. Each different stage of analog offers different advantages and disadvantages. A certain degree of that sound will be maintained by tracking to tape, but after the conversion to digital the process will seperate. There is still something different about analog EQ upon mixdown in combination with analog panning and summing. I am not trying to say one is better, but the difference is there none the less. I would not however be wanting to rely on the cheap converters in a Roland VS machine and definately would not consider the mastering suites to be great. Unusable is how i would see them. At least with a DAW there are more options available to configure a system that meets anyones needs.

As far as the differences in the sounds of the converters... The differences can be minor and can be fairly major and those differences depend on many factors. Here is what I have noticed with using nicer converters. First, tracks seem to have smoother yet more range in the ends of the frequency spectrum. Tighter punchier lows, more extended yet silkier highs. Of course these are all "buzz words" but I do not know how else to describe it. I have also noticed that better converters seem to relate a much wider and more 3 dimensional depth to a track. Even mono tracks seem to have a higher degree of realism conveyed. Once you start mixing, better converters seem to offer both a wider and a deeper soundscape, at least in the listening environment on the D/A side. These differences may seem minor on some source signals, and more prominent on others. The difference often becomes more noticable as you get more and more tracks going simultaneously, and often can be felt in how your mixdowns form easier and smoother. Digital clocks are a whole different ball game. Without going into the details, adding a better clock makes your converters a little more stable which in turn helps them to function closer to their full potential.

Without knowing more of a budget, it is really hard for me to tell you what I think may be the best choice for you. Since you mentioned both SSL and Motu, I felt like Aurora was a decent compromise between price, feature set, and quality.
 
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