Amp Modelling question.....

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I am putting this here, because I couldn't get any response in the thread I first posted it in...over at the cave. Why no one responded to it...beats the hell out of me. Maybe they are considered dumb questions, or perhaps I am not taken seriously..? Well, even if they are dumb questions, I am going to ask them anyway. I wanted to know and I already had googled, but want to make sure I understand what they do and why...etc. Thanks for responding.

Here is what I am referring to, so as not to cause confusion...
https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=218729


Is an amp mod, a head with different brand amp sound-settings, used like a guitar effects pedal, is used on an axe to get a variety of tones? If so, why would it be any different, than using guitar effect pedals to get a sound? Why would it be frowned upon?

I don't understand the fuss. If the mod reproduces the sound of another amp and does so effectively, why not? Wouldn't the cab you use, make a difference too? I know there is a lot of questions here...but I want to know !!!

How can the difference of sound quality be compared fairly, if the 'mod' and the 'actual' amp are not being tested by playing the same tune, with the same guitar, by the same player? That would be a precise test. I know that may sound silly, but hey...it seems like a fair test.

Does it really matter if you are using a mod head, rather than the actual brand of amp head that your mod is mimicing, if the sound you get kicks ass?

It is always nice to have the real thing. But if this is not possible for, or desired by someone, I see nothing wrong with it!! I do love the option of variety in a "box".

Perdicament, Blue Jeans sounds good on my monitors. I am a believer that the skill and talent of the player is first and foremost. A good player would sound good playing through a tin can....

I for one, am very curious now, and think an informative test would be a good thing. Posting a thread, with tunes of mod and live amp productions, allowing members to listen and see how many can tell the difference. I bet the results would be surprizing and a good learning experience for the ears.

This would not be the same as the test I mentioned above, but would at least give a review, as to just how well a mod does or does not work.

It would be a Coke/Pepsi test of sorts!! :confused:
 
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I think the amp modding they are referring to has to do with changing out the components of a certain Head....capacitors, resistors, tubes, and other stuff. Your post confused me.
 
blueroommusic said:
I think the amp modding they are referring to has to do with changing out the components of a certain Head....capacitors, resistors, tubes, and other stuff. Your post confused me.
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she was referring to amp modelling i believe.
 
blueroommusic said:
I think the amp modding they are referring to has to do with changing out the components of a certain Head....capacitors, resistors, tubes, and other stuff. Your post confused me.
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I am sorry for the wrong wording. They are talking about amp modelling in the cave thread...I changed the title of mine. :D
 
Amp modelling is the technology of "modeling" the tonalty and characteristics of certain amplifiers.
 
Micter said:
Amp modelling is the technology of "modeling" the tonalty and characteristics of certain amplifiers.
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Have you read the thread in the cave...I will post the link and then you can see why I asked and where I am going with it. Thanks.
 
Everything on my soundclick site in my sig is modelled with cheap equipment. Someone who listened to my CD liked the guitar tones, and they were all modelled and recorded direct. I like the sound, my audience likes the tone, and the work is in tweaking the modeller instead of setting up the mic, etc.
 
mod = modification. modding an amp just means changing it some way. there are tons of different things that can be changed on an amp. some amps can be modded to sound radically different than the original. some amps can be modded to sound like another amp because the two share alot of the same circuitry.

true, modding an amp is like hot rodding a car.
 
ha modeling! completely different subject. ignore my last post.
 
Modeling

true-eurt said:
I am putting this here, because I couldn't get any response in the thread I first posted it in...over at the cave. Why no one responded to it...beats the hell out of me. Maybe they are considered dumb questions, or perhaps I am not taken seriously..? Well, even if they are dumb questions, I am going to ask them anyway. I wanted to know and I already had googled, but want to make sure I understand what they do and why...etc. Thanks for responding.

Here is what I am referring to, so as not to cause confusion...
https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=218729


Is an amp mod, a head with different brand amp sound-settings, used like a guitar effects pedal, is used on an axe to get a variety of tones? If so, why would it be any different, than using guitar effect pedals to get a sound? Why would it be frowned upon?

I don't understand the fuss. If the mod reproduces the sound of another amp and does so effectively, why not? Wouldn't the cab you use, make a difference too? I know there is a lot of questions here...but I want to know !!!

How can the difference of sound quality be compared fairly, if the 'mod' and the 'actual' amp are not being tested by playing the same tune, with the same guitar, by the same player? That would be a precise test. I know that may sound silly, but hey...it seems like a fair test.

Does it really matter if you are using a mod head, rather than the actual brand of amp head that your mod is mimicing, if the sound you get kicks ass?

It is always nice to have the real thing. But if this is not possible for, or desired by someone, I see nothing wrong with it!! I do love the option of variety in a "box".

Perdicament, Blue Jeans sounds good on my monitors. I am a believer that the skill and talent of the player is first and foremost. A good player would sound good playing through a tin can....

I for one, am very curious now, and think an informative test would be a good thing. Posting a thread, with tunes of mod and live amp productions, allowing members to listen and see how many can tell the difference. I bet the results would be surprizing and a good learning experience for the ears.

This would not be the same as the test I mentioned above, but would at least give a review, as to just how well a mod does or does not work.

It would be a Coke/Pepsi test of sorts!! :confused:
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I copied this from a BOSS/Roland manual I have
COSM ( Composite Object Sound Modeling)
COSM analyzes the many factors that make up the original sound, such as electrical and physicals characteristics of the original, and then produces a digital model that can reproduce the same sound.
 
apl said:
Everything on my soundclick site in my sig is modelled with cheap equipment. Someone who listened to my CD liked the guitar tones, and they were all modelled and recorded direct. I like the sound, my audience likes the tone, and the work is in tweaking the modeller instead of setting up the mic, etc.
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I like your stuff APL!! SOunds good to me !!!
 
apl said:
Everything on my soundclick site in my sig is modelled with cheap equipment. Someone who listened to my CD liked the guitar tones, and they were all modelled and recorded direct. I like the sound, my audience likes the tone, and the work is in tweaking the modeller instead of setting up the mic, etc.
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What mod do you use?
 
TravisinFlorida said:
mod = modification. modding an amp just means changing it some way. there are tons of different things that can be changed on an amp. some amps can be modded to sound radically different than the original. some amps can be modded to sound like another amp because the two share alot of the same circuitry.

true, modding an amp is like hot rodding a car.
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:D I have confused you !!

TravisinFlorida said:
ha modeling! completely different subject. ignore my last post.
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Yes...I am so curious about this.
 
True...I have a POD XTL...it is an amp modeler. What it does, is creates the sounds from different amps, and speaker cabinets. Someone already posted a link above to the site. What it does in basic terms, is gives some versatility to my sound. I recently bought a new amp...it kicks ass. But sometines, I don't want to play with any noise happening..like at 3am.... :D

I can plug into the POD and get some decent sounds. My amp also doesn't really like when I play low tunings...I have one guitar tuned to B. It rumbles the speakers. The POD sounds better for this, to me. It has many amps available, and many speaker combinations. I don't know that I've ever used teh same sound on 2 songs. That's just my choice. It's simply a tool to help get sounds. And, it can be fun. :D
 
Dumby said:
I copied this from a BOSS/Roland manual I have
COSM ( Composite Object Sound Modeling)
COSM analyzes the many factors that make up the original sound, such as electrical and physicals characteristics of the original, and then produces a digital model that can reproduce the same sound.
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LOL!! Thank you...but...I am not getting the answer I am searching for. I was wanting to know, if it was a head that came already with the different brand amp sounds programed in, like an effects pedal or what? :confused:
 
BTW...listen to some stuff Dumby has done...it sounds really good to me. I wnat to do a collab with him.... :D

And Bloodsoaked uses an inexpensive amp modeler..he gets some killer tones also. ;)
 
true-eurt said:
LOL!! Thank you...but...I am not getting the answer I am searching for. I was wanting to know, if it was a head that came already with the different brand amp sounds programed in, like an effects pedal or what? :confused:
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true, there are modelers in the form of stomp boxes, rack units, bean shaped boxes, software plugins, and actual amps.
 
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