Amp modeller? Which one for me!?

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Hi,

I'm looking around for an amp modeller. The sound i am after is something processed along the lines of Nine Inch Nails/ Manson kinda sound. Ballsy with a processed kinda of sound.

I've seen ppl throwing around the idea of Pod xt's and Vox products but i'm after something cheap and portable...... rack mountable i dont mind.

I'm even open to the idea of a pod 2.0 as opposed to a XT version.

I'm not after blues or anything like that.... The music i am writing is industrial/rock so i don't like alot of mud.

Thanks in advance guys

Edit: I was also thinking of the m-audio black box as well?
 
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Off topic - I've had some pretty good results using a Trent technique...

(once you've got past that first stage!) play the track though a tiny pc speaker LOUD and mic that. A really angy wasp sound that's perfect for that NIN feel!

Not at all what you were asking about but I thought later on you might find it fun!! ;)
 
I've used the same technique with a synth once and having the octave wheel go up 2 octaves....... peaked the bastard out big time.....

Sounds cool to sneak into the mix.
 
I got to check out the bass version of the Behringer V-Amp.

What do we all think of that?
 
I use Line6 exclusively for modelling - got a Flextone II XL for guitar and a BassPODxt for (you guessed it) bass. My advice would be to get a Line6 PODxt over the Behringer - though I haven't personally heard the Behringer, I guarantee Line6 put more time and effort into their modelling than Behringer did, as well as using higher-quality components. Plus, Line6 is made of metal, as I believe all portable gear should be.

I think that, even though you're going for a very specific sound currently, you might in the future want/need something different, and might regret not getting a Line6 right-off.

Also, specific advice for getting a NIN/Manson sound out of the Line6 - turn off speaker modelling. That will give you the amp model, but won't simulate a mic/cab combo and thus you'll get a more "direct" sound, which is I think what you're after.
 
Buy a new amp

You just dont get the same sound without getting a good amp. Pedals thru a bad amp sound as cheap as the amp. However you want to model nine inch nails, and that already sounds like crap. Sometime i'm gonna make a setup with one channel Marshall and one channel Fender.
 
Trent uses both mic'd and direct as goes with the Manson albums he produced.
I remember Scott (Daisy Berkowitz) talking about recording and how Trent mostly wanted to do direct, but for some stuff would mic a few marshall 4x12 cabs (didn't state which ones) and that Scott felt he got better distortion out of his peavey bandit.

I don't know if Trent has upgraded to the XT series from Line6 but studio he has the POD Pro and Bass POD Pro (maybe upgraded to their latest versions) and I heard live for some reason he actually used the bean version of the POD for his guitar.

Trent does go direct but he also goes direct through a bunch of pedals- one of his favorite things (at least used to be) was going to pawn shops or music stores and getting pedals that you'd never really heard of- a lot of them without a label actually to even know what it does off the bat or what make/model it is- those usually ended up being his favorites.

I also believe I saw him give a nod regarding GuitarRig for the studio to process dry signals.

You gotta remember most NIN records the majors are about 5 years apart in time (aside from the last one which he claims was actually only a year of recording) 5 years is a lot of time to experiment and do weird stuff. Like some of the guitars in "We're in this together" are different guitars with the first three and last three tuned to the same note and then strummed differently with different processing going on. (trying to go from recollection on that statement)

Live to recreate sounds for the fragility tour Robin Finck used a TC Electronics G-Force, Marshall JMP-1 for the meatier stuff, and a Rocktron Voodu Valve. He also I believe had a Marshall cab on stage for feedback.

:edit: oh yes, and I am sure I recall durring the Fragile record him stating he grew fond of the Parker P-series guitars for recording durring that album.
 
Well at the moment i have been using Guitar Rig for alot of my recordings just with a dry signal no fx.......so far the sound i have been getting i have been quite happy with.

I'm just wondering by me purchasing a Pod XT whether it will give me more of the sound i need...... or just stick it out with guitar rig and just mess around with it a little more to get the sound i want??

Does anyone have any guitar rig setup files they wanna share?
 
The Pod XT was made with heavier music in mind than the original Pod. Many people thought the low end high gain sounds in the Pod and Pod2 were lacking, so they addressed that issue with the XT.

H2H
 
I still use a POD 2.0 - I'm satisfied with the sound I get and have not felt obliated to upgrade to the XT. I also have a Johnson J-Station, which is very good (better than the POD) for cleaner tones.

I have the Behringer Bass V-amp, I actually think it's pretty decent. I can dial in severl tones rather easy. However, a POD on a clean setting could work fairly well for bass.
 
a lot of people on another board i go to are raving about the guitar port by line6, esp with the "metal pack" of amps. apparently folks can hook it up through an amp's effects loop and such and it can record via usb. for $100, doesn't sound too shabby (i myself got the vox ad30vt this past weekend, and to quote ferris bueller, it is so choice :) )
 
I wouldn't rule out a POD 2. I have both Pod 2 and a POD XT live. I also Have a Flextone II HD with Line 6 4x12 cab. Honestly I have only had my XT Live for 2 months or so and have not spent nearly as much time with that as I have with my POD2 and FLextone II HD tones. But I would not say as suggested above that metal tones are better in the XT, so far for me that is not the case. The XT and XTlive provided a lot of addtional capability and function that the POD 2 doesn't have but the POD 2 has some really good hard rock tones.
 
C'mon... not one mention of Tech21/Sansamps?!?

I'm pretty damned happy with my GT2, but wish I could have afforded the PSA-1.

In all fairness, I've never heard a POD.
 
cellar- I think you've listened to my music along the way. I mostly use all POD. Mainly just cause I'm too lazy to bring an amp into my studio and mic it up and everything. I can record with the POD with the TV on! :)

Laziness kills.

H2H
 
Quite a few songs you have there!
Is there one in particular you'd recommend?
 
Not really, I just thought I remembered you listening to something of mine in the past. I don't do heavy stuff or anything, just middle of the road. The Katie Rocks track is pretty clean, its all POD too. I do toss in the occasional track micd through one of my amps...but I just blend everything to get the sound I want.

In general, its a decent POD example.

H2H
 
To add, most owners of both the original Pod and XT seem to prefer the original's JCM800 tone over the XT, if you're looking for JCM800 metal.

iwanarock said:
I wouldn't rule out a POD 2. I have both Pod 2 and a POD XT live. I also Have a Flextone II HD with Line 6 4x12 cab. Honestly I have only had my XT Live for 2 months or so and have not spent nearly as much time with that as I have with my POD2 and FLextone II HD tones. But I would not say as suggested above that metal tones are better in the XT, so far for me that is not the case. The XT and XTlive provided a lot of addtional capability and function that the POD 2 doesn't have but the POD 2 has some really good hard rock tones.
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Aaroncomp

I agree many owners of both the original Pod and XT seem to prefer the original's JCM800 tone over the XT, if you're looking for JCM800 metal. But I also think the Rectifier models in the POD 2 are superior. Now given time and effort I may change my mind, but so far I haven't. One of the reasons I bought the POD XTLive was me trying to determine if I should move from my Flextone II HD to a Vetta Head. The other alternative was to work a setup that has the best of both worlds and use the POD XTLive with my Flextone II HD. Only time tell where I land.
 
Well getting back to the subject of vst guitar fx.... i happened to have a play around with izotopes trash.

If you can looking for some really textured distortions for guitar, drums and vocals definatley check it out..... cos i'm impressed...... Reznor apparently gives it the thumbs up too.



http://www.izotope.com/
 
I don't mind listening to amp modellers on recordings, but they frustrate me as a player.

I have a Johnson J-Station.

It makes decent sounds but they can't be controlled by the player with his pick. If you dig in they sound the same. If you play near the bridge or nut they sound the same. If you back off your volume knob they sound the same.

yuck
 
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