Amp Modelers

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ericlingus said:
And question to the person who isolates his amp. What do you use to soundproof your box and booth? I have my amp in my closet with foam and sleeping bags but it's not enough. What else should I do?

For one thing, foam sux - in my ever so humble opinion. Foam is useless for low or midrange freqs, which is what the guitar spits out the most of. I dont use foam at all, except those little foam condoms on my mic.

One key is (I think it's key, anyway) I have one "sound deadening box" inside another "sound deadening box". I built a "box" using plywood floor, 2x2 frame, sound board sides, open on back, top and front so I can move the amp/cab in and out and so I can move mics around. I bought 2 dense movers blankets (they are cheaper than "sound balnkets") and an old thick sleeping bag and sandwiched the bag in between two blankets using those big office binder clips. The 3-layer blanket is big enough to drape over the box, and it covers the front (where the mics sit inside the box) it covers the top and sides, it leaves enough room for the amp to ventilate, and the amp is closed back anyway. But the back of the amp sits about 6 inches from the wall of the booth. So I have a 3x3x3 box covered with this 3 layer blanket, sitting inside my mic booth. If I use my closed back Vox AD50VT, people upstairs cannot hear the guitar. If I use an open back cab they can hear it, but it's muffled and they can still watch tv and talk without distraction. It gives me great isolation in the control area when I mic the speaker. I can really hear exactly what the mic sounds like.

Lately I've been setting just a speaker cab in there instead of an amp, and I keep the amp in the control area. This way I can tweak the amp at will, and hear the results on the monitors via the mic. Then I know exactly what my recording will sound like. I've got it to where I cant hear any difference between the live mic and the recorded playback. Makes it much easier to dial up the right sound in the control room, since I have all the amps and the pedals and mixer and recorder sitting right there next to me while I play guitar.

The booth is framed from 2x2's, maybe 6' or 7' square, 7' high, and I have maybe two dozen sound deadening blankets stapled to it for walls and celing, inside and outside (the floor is concrete basement floor). Then I slid sound board in between all the blankets. All this does is create a dead space around the mics, since cinder block basement is useless for recording anyway. To reduce noise we framed a divider wall around the furnace, effectively seperating the furnace and bathroom from the other half of the basement. The mic booth pretty much forms the north wall of my studio, between the control area and the divider wall. I also have 6 free-standing sound deadening panels around my control area so I can mix without getting reflection and standing waves.

I think the combination of having a "box in a box in a room" is what cuts down on the sound so much for me, especially since the room is a concrete cinder block basement and the booth is free-standing and is not fastened to the house in any way, it just sits on the concrete floor. It sounds way better in the mix than it would sound if I had no box and no booth. Your closet walls probably do more to resonate the sound than isolate it, since your closet is essentially one of the boxes, and it's fastened directly to the rest of the house......but its' better than no box at all.
 
SC I guess you are everywhere:) And thanks but I already have a sparkle drive. I just use it for live work for that semi distorted rhythm work, kinda like Keith Richards 1/2 clean - 1/2 distortion sound.
 
Double said:
I guess the best thing to do (for my needs) is just sell the ToneLab and buy another tube amp. I’ll try something smaller, maybe an old Fender Champ or a Danelectro. I am ½ finished building an isolation box for my amps, maybe that will help. I'm still amazed how loud a 15 watt tube amp can be. Thanks again.

I'm still shocked at how loud my 15w Traynor is, but that Greenback just screams.

I am very, very curious about that 5 watt Epiphone tube amp. It has a speaker and a volume knob, thats it. If you had a couple of pedals, I bet it would just rock! For $100 bucks how can you lose???

But this YCV20WR might be the last amp I'll ever buy (assuming I never win the lottery! then I wold be saying the name "Rivera" a lot!)! I love this thing!
 
Double said:
thanks but I already have a sparkle drive.

Well, that means it was good advice then! But dont thank me, I got the tip from MixAndBurn! That guy knows tone! He steered me to the VooDoo Lab Sparkle after I balked at the price of the DC stuff. I'm enjoying my Sparkle Drive immensely! The Analog Chorus is awesome too!
 
amra said:
Check out the Zvex Nano Head. It is a 1/2 watt all tube head.
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Man I was listening to that thing and thinking "hey, that sounds pretty good! I wouldn't mind having one..." and then I saw the price....there is no way in hell i'm paying $450 for one of those.
 
sile2001 said:
Man I was listening to that thing and thinking "hey, that sounds pretty good! I wouldn't mind having one..." and then I saw the price....there is no way in hell i'm paying $450 for one of those.

I just read about it and it sounds like a really cool little amp, but I am curious - how does its power supply generate 230 VDC from a 12 VDC source?
 
Nobody's said anything about Boss's GT-8. WAY better than the tonelab, better modeling and more versatile than just about anything other than a real amp setup.
 
mamm7215 said:
Nobody's said anything about Boss's GT-8. WAY better than the tonelab, better modeling and more versatile than just about anything other than a real amp setup.

I agree, accept I can get it to sound better than many people's amp setup.
 
Thanks to all who recommended the Boss GT-8, I went out to the local Music Dealer last night and took a look. I compared the GT-8 to the Vox ToneLab SE and just for kicks we tried the PODxt as well. There were four other guitar players watching who were also interested so we did a bunch of blind tests. Now one guy of these players is a serious hard rock player, one was a dedicated blues player and the other two worked at the store and are very good players. We auditioned all three units through a set of Mackie studio monitors. We all played a little using an American Standard Strat or an Epiphone Elite Les Paul. All agreed (to their own amazement) the GT-8 and the POD were basically the same thing, just in a different box. The Vox ToneLab definitely had a better sound, the others sounded brittle and harsh. But I would have to say the most important thing that was noticed was the feel, when we switched to the ToneLab you felt like you were playing a real amp, not an effect. For what it is worth.
 
soundchaser59 said:
I'm not surprised.....

neither am I. However, I found out that the GT8 is MUCH more flexible than the others, and therefore allows you to tweak to a further degree and get a better result in the end...once you are comfortable with the unit. Initially, most people don't realize that.

Several important features the GT8 has which the others don't in my opinion...

..two sounds at once that can be combined in several different ways... including dynamics

.. rearranging the order of effects, preamps, OD..etc... in ANY order. That right there is a major plus to me.

...better effects in general.. but to some that isn't important I understand..but I think items like the chorus, delays and reverb are fairly important and in most cases, the GT8 sounds better than the others.

Initially, I might agree that other units might sound better right out of the box, but I have come to the conclusion that to get a good sound you want to go past the level of "right out of the box"... and sometimes having TOO many options is a hinderance, but in this case, I don't apply that here. Once you spend 20+ hours experimenting and programming it, I think that becomes more clear.

Items that DO suck, in my opinion are the pitch shift feature, some effects are pretty useless or just "one trick ponies", ...the "spring" reverb, and many of the preset patches. Also initially setting the "levels" to be consistant is tough too. But that is typical of Roland stuff, especially on their keyboards.
 
Waves just came out with a modeler - if I remember correctly, it doesn't have a huge number of amp/cab choices but sounds good. But, you have to consider the "waves" price.
 
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