ambient drum mics

[lucid]

what mics would you guys recommend for ambient drum mics?

by the way, what would be better on the toms? 3 sm57's or 3 sennheiser e604?

thanks

 

[Track Rat]

Personally, I've been using AT4033's but I've had decent results with small diaphram condensors of various manufacturers. As far as the tom mics go, there's no better mic. That veries with many factors; the drums themselves, the song, context, your taste in what sounds right. Hell, I've used 57s on toms forever but lately I've been using AKG C-1000s and to ME, they sound better, but that's to ME. YMMV.

 

[Rochey]

okay, you guys can shout all you like,

but I use C1000's for overheads. They sound pretty good to me, but abviously, if you have more money to play with.,...


rochey

 

[Track Rat]

Rochey, I've used 'em as overheads too, and they're not bad at all. My new love for overheads are Octava 012s. More detail than the C-1000s on cymbals and smooth, not harsh or brittle. As I said, I'm really diggin the 1000s on toms and I'm using a C-3000 on floor tom. It works for me.

 

[Rochey]

This is driving me nuts... 800 miles away from my studio...

I'm going home for christmas though. God, I can't wait.

I think I'll be spending more time with my studio than I will my Girlfriend, both i haven't seen in 2 months.

sheesh... i know i'm an audiophile...

Rochey

 

[ametth]

what mics would you guys recommend for ambient drum mics?

by the way, what would be better on the toms? 3 sm57's or 3 sennheiser e604?

thanks

U67's are pretty good. I also like Elam 251's.

 

[Track Rat]

Oh, the 251s for sure. A pair of 'em.

 

[tubedude]

I usually use a pair of 251's as overheads, and then one on snare and one on kick, and then 2 placed in good spots in the room. I have a few more to burn, but this usually does the trick.

Actually, I think damn near any LD condensor would be great for a far off room mic, or even in a different room, or in a closet, or who knows. I like to get creative and see what weirdness I can come up with, like the infamous toilet mic. The room mics sound really cool squashed to hell and back, so crank the knobs on that compressor!

 

[fenix]

Rochey, I've used 'em as overheads too, and they're not bad at all. My new love for overheads are Octava 012s. More detail than the C-1000s on cymbals and smooth, not harsh or brittle. As I said, I'm really diggin the 1000s on toms and I'm using a C-3000 on floor tom. It works for me.

Octava = crap.

 

[alejandro]

sm81

Ive used 57s 58s and the akgc1000 but in my oponion shure sm81 is far superior to all of them. plus theyre optimum for acoustic guitars. its about 100 more than akg but its so worth it

 

[Track Rat]

Oh really. And how did you form that opinion?

 

[nezpierce]

Question?

Oh really. And how did you form that opinion?

Yes do tell.


calling stuff crap=waste of time

n = everyone on this bbs


Can I upgrade from my newbie status by not being a PITA like the post three above this one??


nP

 

[Markd102]

I'm using a pair of Beyerdynamic Opus 83 as overheads and I'm liking what I hear very much.

 

[fenix]

Oh really. And how did you form that opinion?

It's not an opinion. Check the specs of those Octava mics and compare them to AKG C1000s. Octava is not exactly a respected name. They are cheap. If you think the Octava is better than AKG c1000s, maybe you are using a mic pre that doesn't do justice to the AKG c1000s.

 

[Harvey Gerst]

Originally posted by fenix It's not an opinion. Check the specs of those Octava mics and compare them to AKG C1000s. Octava is not exactly a respected name. They are cheap. If you think the Octava is better than AKG c1000s, maybe you are using a mic pre that doesn't do justice to the AKG c1000s.

I'm normally not a nasty person, but I can't let this kind of stuff go unanswered.

I have a pair of matched Sound Room Oktavas with three capsules each, and they sound excellent thru the Great River MP-2, the Great River MP-2NV, the Millennia Media STT-1 "Origin", and in three weeks, I trust they will also sound good plugged into my new RNMP. Running them direct into my old MCI console mic pres, they also sound great

Exactly what mic preamp should I get that will "do justice to the AKG c1000s"? Everytime I've heard the C1000, it has sounded harsh and screechy to me, no matter what pre I tried. As far as specs go, the AKG specs on that mic don't give you the whole picture (something I've covered in detail in another thread on this forum).

 

[ametth]

It's not an opinion. Check the specs of those Octava mics and compare them to AKG C1000s. Octava is not exactly a respected name. They are cheap. If you think the Octava is better than AKG c1000s, maybe you are using a mic pre that doesn't do justice to the AKG c1000s.

I usually am nasty. Fenix, get your head out of your ass. Why dont you start really listening, and base your thoughts and opinions on actual experience and not what some manufacturer says their mic can do...It's ok to look at specs, but dont base an uninformed opinion on them.

 

[lucid]

alright... since i am getting a pair of ECM8000's, i will be using those for the overheads... bad idea?

i will probably be using an AKG d112 on the kick

definatly an SM57 on the snare...

only problems are tom and ambient room mics...

for toms... what will give me more of a full, thick sounding tom? the e604 or the sm57?

room mics... pretty much any LD condensor? any proven models?

thanks

 

[tubedude]

Allright Harvey you have me all fired up now... are you expecting delivery of the RNMP in 3 weeks, or what? You obviously know something that I dont and its killing me
What have you heard about it so far and have you heard a proto-type personally? Does it have any iron in the signal path?
Peace.

 

[Track Rat]

Fenix
I've run my SoundRoom purchased matched pair of MC-012s and 319 thru my DBX386, Envoice Mind Print, HHB, Mackie and the pre's in my StudioMaster console and sound pretty damn good to me but hey, I haven't recorded any Steely Dan albums lately so what do I know. Oh and they sounded pretty decent thru a friend of mines Avalon 737 too. About the only thing I like the C-1000s on as I stated above is rack toms. But I have an open mind and I'm sure I'd benifit from your sage advice, so tell me O' wise one, what should I be listening for that I'm obviously not hearing? When I post something on a messege board like this, I base what I say on my DIRECT EXPERIENCE with a product, not what I read somewhere or a spec sheet so I can avoid putting my foot in my mouth. Spec sheets far from tell the whole story. If that were the case half the mics I own would sound the same and I can assure you they do not.

 

[Harvey Gerst]

alright... since i am getting a pair of ECM8000's, i will be using those for the overheads... bad idea?

Actually, that's a very good idea.

i will probably be using an AKG d112 on the kick

If you haven't bought the D112 yet, give a listen to the ATM25. It seems to have a little more definition (to my ear anyway), and it's cheaper than a D112.

definatly an SM57 on the snare...

Always a good choice. The Beyer M201 is also a good, but more expensive alternative, but sometimes you can find them used for cheap....

only problems are tom and ambient room mics...

for toms... what will give me more of a full, thick sounding tom? the e604 or the sm57?

I like the e604 since they give you a very up close sound. The SM57 always sounds (to me) like they're a little bit more distant than normal, but both work great on rack toms. Floor toms seem to like the e604, or my favorite, the Sennheiser 421.

room mics... pretty much any LD condensor? any proven models?

The C1 or the V67G work really well as room mics, if you're looking for inexpensive.

thanks

My pleasure. Lemme know what you end up using.