Allow me a moment to pose a question:

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When I listen to mixes here on the boards many, many times I can also tell that it has been run through a mastering suite such as T Racks or Ozone. I know a bad mix will still sound like a bad mix after being mastered but really? How am I or anybody for that matter properly critique a mix after the entirety of it has been processed through mastering software. STOP IT
 
will people stop forcing jg to critique music he doesnt want to! STOP IT!

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So,....a......you'd rather critique pigs lips and assholes rather than hot dogs?
 
I mean it seems rather counter productive. If you want to true feed back on your mixes shouldn't they be unprocessed? How is one to give advice on the low end if the entirety has been eq'ed, multi-band compressed, and limited. At the least let us know if you have.
 
It brings other aspects to it as well. If something is mish-mashed, regardless of whether it was a poor 'mastering' attempt or to chase loud (not relevant here unless the post is a 'how's my smashtering question- If it sounds worse for it, or more along jghungerford's point it becomes a side attraction to wade through... I'd think the more that's the case the more someone might tend to just skip it altogether rather than comment.
 
I call what some might call mastering as the final stage of making a track..if I stuck it all on the master bus you'd call it a mix anyway

imho folks should lay of presets and learn a few tools but that comes with time..if its obvious its a poor mastering attempt in the post just tell 'em, maybe they'll learn..if its my post dont..or Ill kill my neighbours dog :mad:

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kcearl said:
if its obvious its a poor mastering attempt in the post just tell 'em, maybe they'll learn..if its my post dont..or Ill kill my neighbours dog :mad:

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Exactly, its part of the creation, if the final is squashed and shitty, people will usually say so. We could start a Mastering clinic and have the same loudness and smashing argument every day........
 
jghungerford said:
When I listen to mixes here on the boards many, many times I can also tell that it has been run through a mastering suite such as T Racks or Ozone. I know a bad mix will still sound like a bad mix after being mastered but really? How am I or anybody for that matter properly critique a mix after the entirety of it has been processed through mastering software. STOP IT
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That's retarded. Most folks here work on one song at a time. EQ and compression on the master bus is usually part of the finishing-up mixing process. You critique the finished product. Or don't. It's up to you. If they choose to "master" it (it's not really mastered, but we'll call it that) then that's just how it is. You said yourself that a bad mix will still be bad when mastered, so say so. If you don't like the "mastering" then say so. But asking people to skip a part of the process is silly if they want to do that part of the process.

jghungerford said:
I mean it seems rather counter productive. If you want to true feed back on your mixes shouldn't they be unprocessed? How is one to give advice on the low end if the entirety has been eq'ed, multi-band compressed, and limited. At the least let us know if you have.
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Lol. That's just crazy. Where does it end? How about we only post faders up raw mixes with no panning, EQ, or anything?

What you should be complaining about are low quality clips. Like myspace and youtube links. They are the worst and they're usually the playground of click-seekers and page-view-gobblers. They don't want feedback. They want page hits. I hardly ever oblige their dumb insecurities. It's almost pointless to ask for critiques if you can't be bothered to even try to post a reasonably high-quality clip. There's tons of free hosting sites that can handle wavs or 320kbps MP3's.
 
"Lol. That's just crazy. Where does it end? How about we only post faders up raw mixes with no panning, EQ, or anything?"

No, that's silly, almost as silly as posting a mix that has master bus compression and limiting. You may as well compare your work to commercially mastered tracks on a CD, too.

Mastering guys could do their job well if only people would stop submitting mixes to them that are already squashed all to hell.

But hey, it's just one guy's opinion, and you know what they say about opinions.
 
No one said anything about sending squashed mixes to mastering guys. This is the MP3clinic. The vast majority of songs posted in here are basically "singles". Singles get the full treatment too. People generally post what they think is their finished product, or close to it, looking for feedback. "Mastering" doesn't hide anything, and there's nothing wrong with EQ, so this is all pretty silly.
 
Say, isn't this thread in the wrong forum too? Complain somewhere else. It doesn't really matter how the song was processed before hand. You judge whatever the person gives you to judge.
 
If some one says: "this is a finished product" then I will pardon then from my fury. but obviously this is a mix critique forum. If you're opening a tune to criticism then most likely your not DONE with it because you're willing to change it. I guarantee that most people on here have no where near the knowledge or equipment to properly master there songs; me being one of them. I'm just asking how would one expect to increase there knowledge of mixing in the mp3 MIXING clinic while using cheap mastering software.
 
pardon me, but my mood as been a little more tyrannical than usual lately.
 
jghungerford said:
If some one says: "this is a finished product" then I will pardon then from my fury. but obviously this is a mix critique forum. If you're opening a tune to criticism then most likely your not DONE with it because you're willing to change it. I guarantee that most people on here have no where near the knowledge or equipment to properly master there songs; me being one of them. I'm just asking how would one expect to increase there knowledge of mixing in the mp3 MIXING clinic while using cheap mastering software.
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Well to be perfectly honest with you here, you have 35 posts and just joined the site. Don't get caught up in semantics and start making assumptions. This is the way the Clinic works. Most people want feedback on what they think is a finished product, or they say otherwise. And most people are open to changing things no matter what processing they've done already. Learn the lay of the land before you go trying to bulldoze it.
 
squibble94 said:
Say, isn't this thread in the wrong forum too? Complain somewhere else. It doesn't really matter how the song was processed before hand. You judge whatever the person gives you to judge.
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Yeah I thought the same thing, but I'm leaving this one here for now because I think it is pertinent to this foum.

Greg_L said:
This is the way the Clinic works. Most people want feedback on what they think is a finished product, or they say otherwise. And most people are open to changing things no matter what processing they've done already.
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jghungerford said:
If some one says: "this is a finished product" then I will pardon then from my fury. but obviously this is a mix critique forum. If you're opening a tune to criticism then most likely your not DONE with it because you're willing to change it. I guarantee that most people on here have no where near the knowledge or equipment to properly master there songs; me being one of them. I'm just asking how would one expect to increase there knowledge of mixing in the mp3 MIXING clinic while using cheap mastering software.
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holy shit dude...your fury?

what is cheap mastering software? is their expensive mastering software? whats mastering software for that matter...the ones you mention are just suites of tools even the most bog standard daw comes with...nowt wrong with ozone or t-racks stuff, its the presets that are the problem..youve spent too much times reading the audio homo forums...chill :D
 
Lol. No shit. This could be the early beginnings of a future audio snob.
 
I only post what I think is a finished product...period.
If you don't wanna listen to it, that's your problem.
 
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