All Guitarists Are Doomed !!!!!

[timmerman]

Sound Modeler

Yeah...maybe they'll have a Behringer "Guitarist Modeler". It includes settings such as :
1) Randy Rhodes
2) Eddie VanHalen
3) Jimmy Page
3) Jimmy Hendricks
4) David Katauskas
5) George Lynch
6) ...

I do laugh at this too...but I agree...there will be automation for just about everything in the future. Just look at the Jetsons...it was on TV...so it HAS to be true.

The distortion boxes based on the sound of Clapton, Hendrix are already there, so what does that tell us?

Isn't the fun of the whole electric guitar to experiment with sounds, amps, speakers and to come up with your own sound.................and there is still scope for "your own sound" but you may need a little time and dedication.

Eddie

 

[noisedude]

Yeah...maybe they'll have a Behringer "Guitarist Modeler". It includes settings such as :
1) Randy Rhodes
2) Eddie VanHalen
3) Jimmy Page
3) Jimmy Hendricks
4) David Katauskas
5) George Lynch
6) ...

Except it won't have their real names on it. It'lll have settings like 'British 60s Blues' and '80s USA shred' and 'Random guy from HR.com'.

 

[Armistice]

In 1988 in Brisbane, Australia, at the World Expo, I saw a guitar playing robot that covered most of the fretboard and actually sort of looked like a robot and that held the guitar in the correct position.

It plunked away quite adequately - never heard where it went afterwards - have an old photo of it somewhere, no, wait, found it on google:

Guitar playing robot

 

[ggunn]

I've been playing guitar for... lemme see, is it 40 years? Gasp. I really should be a lot better at it than I am, but that's another rant... ;^)

Anyway, When synthesizers first came on the scene "they" said that it would make guitarists obselete. When samplers started getting good, "they" said it again. Every incremental improvement in solid state tech spawns a spate of talk about tubes going away. Fuhgeddaboudit. Ain't gonna happen, not any time soon, anyway.

The truth is that there are so many subtle nuances that even a rookie guitarist with a Fender Champ can bring to the party, no amount of tech can replace it. How many different ways can you play the same note? 20? 50? 100?

The most advanced computer out there has only a minuscule fraction of the complexity of the human mind, and there are subtle things that happen in the warp and weft of the electron storm in a tube that a computer just can't model.

So, relax. We're not going to be out of a job, and neither are our valve amps, for a long, long time.

 

[jalbert]

So true man,

It will happen and I am not worried as well, but the truth is that the younger generation who will grow up with these machines will no longer know how the "real" thing sounded compared to the machine. Not really a problem eh? Since the machines will probably come very close, but still, the real feeling cannot be copied.

Eddie

The matter of whether or not the "feeling" of a human player can be copied is really a question of the possibilities of artificial intelligence. For a machine to actually play as well as a human it would need to be as real an individual as you or I. While the mechanical side of things may soon be(or perhaps already is, as the TAITO robot appears) adequate to the the job, the consciousness required to have creative thought is probably a bit farther off. But that doesn't mean it won't happen. I don't see robotic musicians taking over but I can imagine them as eventually being equals to their human predecessors. There's no doubt we will be able to build machines that can run faster and jump higher than us, and we already have ones that can add faster and remember more than we can. But as far as making something with a greater capacity for artistic expression than we have ourselves, that may be one area where our creations will always be limited by our own abilities. Once again it's a question of how intelligent artificial intelligence can be. If we really can make something that can advance beyond the faculties we endow it with than maybe everyone should be worried. Not just the guitar players.

 

[timmerman]

The matter of whether or not the "feeling" of a human player can be copied is really a question of the possibilities of artificial intelligence. For a machine to actually play as well as a human it would need to be as real an individual as you or I. While the mechanical side of things may soon be(or perhaps already is, as the TAITO robot appears) adequate to the the job, the consciousness required to have creative thought is probably a bit farther off. But that doesn't mean it won't happen. I don't see robotic musicians taking over but I can imagine them as eventually being equals to their human predecessors. There's no doubt we will be able to build machines that can run faster and jump higher than us, and we already have ones that can add faster and remember more than we can. But as far as making something with a greater capacity for artistic expression than we have ourselves, that may be one area where our creations will always be limited by our own abilities. Once again it's a question of how intelligent artificial intelligence can be. If we really can make something that can advance beyond the faculties we endow it with than maybe everyone should be worried. Not just the guitar players.

Yep that is it.

A while ago I listened to a special about Brian Eno, and he mentioned that the one area where machines are still weak is the department of lyrics. He said that these days it is easy for almost anyone to create music with machines, but writing lyrics is another issue.

I mean I don't know if you have seen any of the ez willis stuff, the funessays he has posted here [mainly in the cave but also on other forums] now once you read one you will agree that it is the work of a machine, they are all done in the same way and you can notice that there is a machine at work instead of a human being. Just use this as an example eh? no from of criticism on ez, as his posts are usually great.

eddie

 

[David Katauskas]

Currently:
We have musicians that sound like robots.

Future:
We will have machines that sound like musicians that sound like robots.

I laugh at it today, but it's going to happen. Then the big recording companies will be licking their chops.

 

[timmerman]

Currently:
We have musicians that sound like robots.

Future:
We will have machines that sound like musicians that sound like robots.

I laugh at it today, but it's going to happen. Then the big recording companies will be licking their chops.

You know I have been spending quite some time to learn to sound and play like a robot, and I am getting better at it, but from what you tell me there the game may be changing soon

Okay hope I still have enough time to get back to how I used to play before I got into robotmode

eddie

 

[David Katauskas]

...You know I have been spending quite some time to learn to sound and play like a robot...

Me too...I am seriously thinking of regressing back to my youthful years and playing with more feeling and dynamic. Excluding my classical guitar pieces, the rest has seemed to become somewhat sterile. But I have the power to change that.

 

[joethebaddog]

We'll all be phased out as production tools of any kind eventually, made obsolete because we're so damned inefficient, cost prohibative, we tend to break down often before our warranty expires. Not much good for recycling either. God just HAD to make us biodegradable. So enjoy the present, friends, because the future doesn't promise a lot for us soon to be retro models.
About the guitar machine, I have just one thing to yell ; FREEBIRD !!!