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there wasn't really any place to post this, so since it has to do with sound engineering and mixing, i'll put it here.

i have a song i’d like to write, but as far as i know, no one has ever listened to a song in the manner that this one needs to be listened to. the technology exists i think, but i haven’t heard of it being used that way. i’d like to be the first to do it so i can’t just tell everyone what it’s all about.

the song not only needs to be written, planned, and orchestrated differently than any song i’ve ever heard of, but it has to be mixed and engineered in a fashion even more complicated, it seems to me.

i’ve been thinking of trying to get help from an expert by having them sign a legal non disclosure agreement and then i’d be free to talk about it with someone. the problem is i don’t really know if this is that big a deal and it’s possible that it has already been done and i just haven’t heard. whether that’s true or not, i do know i’ll need expert help to pull it off.

anyone have any ideas or advice?

thanks
 
Its kind of hard to give advice on this with out knowing more. I know you are trying to keep what your doing a secret but you will have to share a little more info before anyone can help.
 
AGCurry said:
There is nothing new under the sun.
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bull-ony.

radio was new. television was new. telephones were new. in general principals, such as mans motivation's/desires/needs and our history and sociological phenomenon, you are certainly right. but humanity has invented things that never were until we made them. the airplane. the air ballon, the tank. sure the tank is not new in that it's just another way of killing people, but it is new in other ways.
 
bryank said:
im lost....i have no idea what your trying to do.........
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ok i've been researching the subject and research has and is being done. i don't know if it's developed enough to do what i'd like, but it all has to do with 3 dimensional sound. anyone here play with that?
 
ahh... so you let the secret out... i have had no experience with it directly but it was somewhat covered in a class i took on "surround sound".... if you like when i get off work i will see if i can find all my notes on it for ya
 
Nicole_Rose said:
ok i've been researching the subject and research has and is being done. i don't know if it's developed enough to do what i'd like, but it all has to do with 3 dimensional sound. anyone here play with that?
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welll...sure........3-d sound is a part of recording/mixing. sounds that are not only to the left and right of you, but also far and near as well.

its common practice. its no secret.
 
not exactly... 3-d is when it is recorded and mixed so that using only a stereo output (i.e. 2 speakers...) you can hear a sound going anywhere around you... in front...behind... left...right...above... below... flying past your ears... its really quite cool...
 
boogieman481 said:
not exactly... 3-d is when it is recorded and mixed so that using only a stereo output (i.e. 2 speakers...) you can hear a sound going anywhere around you... in front...behind... left...right...above... below... flying past your ears... its really quite cool...
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you get it.

how far are we along in that? what are we capable of?
 
oh we are very capable... its very easy to do it with multiple speakers (obviously) but a little trickier to do it with 2 but it CAN be done.... there are 2 ways to do it... a special way of recording with mic placement (works ok) digitally editing the EQs and gain (works good) or both (works great)... I suppose you might be able to do it analog but it would probably be a pain
 
all this coming from a stereo 2 speaker set up?

im back to square one again.....im lost.

i dont think this is possible coming from a simple 2 speaker set up......doesnt it defy some sort of law of physics? i can understand if you set 2 speakers directly to the left and right of you ( instead of the typical infront, 90 degree angle)................maybe you can get a sound to make it "fly past you".......

but to get a surround sound effect with only using 2 speakers?????????

have we landed on Jupitar also, that im not aware of??????
 
bryank said:
all this coming from a stereo 2 speaker set up?

im back to square one again.....im lost.

i dont think this is possible coming from a simple 2 speaker set up......doesnt it defy some sort of law of physics? i can understand if you set 2 speakers directly to the left and right of you ( instead of the typical infront, 90 degree angle)................maybe you can get a sound to make it "fly past you".......

but to get a surround sound effect with only using 2 speakers?????????

have we landed on Jupitar also, that im not aware of??????
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i have a role playing video game where my two little computer speakers can project sound in such a way as it sounds like the footsteps are behind me and coming up my left side. i turn my little warrior girl around and just in time to block a hit from a brigand coming up from behind her. i just haven't seen that technology appllied to music yet.
 
dont get me wrong....its VERY achievebale when listeng in "headphones".....

but im still not convinced that its possible on a 2 speaker set up......unless it depends on how the speakers are set up/where.

you can get a 3-d effect using just 2 speaker set up....but only to a certain degree.........

it also depends on where you are standing.....when listening to just the 2 speaker set up.
 
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bryank said:
but to get a surround sound effect with only using 2 speakers?????????

have we landed on Jupitar also, that im not aware of??????
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Well you've only got 2 ears . . .

Has to do with phase and frequency response, doppler shift of a moving source, etc., to create the psychoacoustic illusion of directionality.
 
mshilarious said:
Well you've only got 2 ears . . .

Has to do with phase and frequency response, doppler shift of a moving source, etc., to create the psychoacoustic illusion of directionality.
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sure, ive done this before on electric guitars. to make it sound like it was real far away....and comes up in front of you.....and then to the side, and past you.............

i just applied reverb to the track, started at 100% wet,.....slowly brought it up to 100% dry.......by the time it sounded like it was right up in my face, i then did a panning so it sweept from center, then to 100 % left. while it was panning from center to 100% left, i also applied the reverb again....but now it went from 100% dry, back to 100% wet again.

this is all achiveable though automation, and the right effects. if this is what you guys are refering to as 3-d effect............sure...its very do-able...and very easy to do. i thought you guys were refering to something a little more "FAR OUT THERE" ........................
 
well obviously it works the best with headphones... but it also works really well when there is a stereo signal being put out through speakers both in front and behind... as in a car
 
psychoacoustic thats the word... thanx mshilarious
It all has to do with making you THINK the sound is moving around you... your ears dont pick up certain frequecies as well when the sound is above you... and different ones when the sound is behind you.... so you boost and cut those frequencies as needed... i have heard a program make a bee "fly" around my head in circles.. and then above me... and then below me...
 
boogieman481 said:
well obviously it works the best with headphones... but it also works really well when there is a stereo signal being put out through speakers both in front and behind... as in a car
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but in a car stereo...isnt there usualy 4 speakers? 2 in the front, 2 in the back?

i thought you folks were trying to achive this by only using 2 speakers? this is were i got confused.
 
no i just said it can be done with two speakers... yes a car does have 4 speakers... but the 2 on the left are playing the same thing and the 2 on the right are playing the same thing (assuming there are no crossovers in place)
 
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