Advice for using my Shure SM7b...

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I use Reaper and a Line 6 Toneport UX2 to record with. My vocals are on the quite to medium side of things volume wise. My vocal stuff is similar to Lifehouse material. The mic itself sounds great, but I have to turn the gain up almost all the way on my Toneport so that I can get a good signal. This results in a hiss that is kinda hard to get out of the take. Is the Toneport alone not good enough for this mic? Do I need an additional pre-amp?
 
SM7B is a great mic but has a rather low output.
Shures FAQ on the product page suggest you pair it with a preamp with at least 60db of clean gain.
From what I was able to find your Line 6 Toneport UX2 probably offers somewhere around 50db of gain and so you are having to run at maximum all the time to get a good level.

So you either have to record at lower levels which isn't necessarily a bad thing, sing louder or, if that isn't feasble, you will likely need a pre amp with more, cleaner gain to avoid the hiss
 
Can anyone tell me what the best, and cheapest preamp is for this mic. I am on a tight budget but want to get a good sound too...
 
Can anyone tell me what the best, and cheapest preamp is for this mic. I am on a tight budget but want to get a good sound too...

look for ___db of gain in the specifications

I normally run my sm7 into an SSL vhd (fairly priced) and has 75dB of gain.
I'm pretty sure you could find somthing a little cheaper with at least 60dB in a single channel. I've only ran it thought that and my Robbie with good results. I once tried to run a shure dynamic straight to the MOTU's pres and it was pretty much unusable for the application.

--researching---

just looking around...the M-Audio DMP-3 is a 2-channel Preamplifier with 66dB of gain for $160 . i cant say what it sounds like, but maybe someone here has tried it...It just seams like a lot of gain for a nice price.


-mike-
 
M_audio DMP3 is not a bad pre amp for the price. It's not stellar but it has good gain and is fairly clean
 
If the preamp is noisy, you pretty much have to sing louder, in my experience - if you turn down the preamp and sing normally, the noise is still there, and still bears the same signal to noise (S/N) ratio to the singing (which is also quieter because you turned down the preamp) - even though you can't hear the noise on the freshly recorded track, when you're mixing later and you bring up the gain on the track (or apply compression with make-up gain), up comes the noise along with the signal, pretty much like you had the preamp turned up in the first place. But if you sing louder, you improve the S/N ratio.

So, assuming that you're recording into a computer where you can digitally increase gain later, it's less important that you have a preamp with a lot of gain, and more important that you have a preamp with low noise. These are just observations, but it's been pretty consistent for me.

I use a SM7B with modified pres on a MOTU Traveler - but before the modification (by Black Lion) they were too noisy. The Traveler + the mods exceeded $1k, though.

I've used one with an ART Digital MPA (same as MPA Gold), but if the tubes had any hiss, then it didn't work. Even with quiet tubes, I couldn't apply very much make up gain in a software compressor.

I've used them with a DMP3 and it's predecessor DMP2 - those seem quiet enough for me.

Everyone seems to agree that that Rane MS1-B is good, but I've never tried one.

They're not for sale new, but if you can find a used TNC ACMP 73 (or 84 or even 81) that *is quiet* - some are not - you have to be sure before buying, but the seller will know, then that works, and those don't cost too much on the used market.

If your budget is higher, you have a lot more options, of course.
 
An SM7b is for a screamer mostly...Id never have a problem getting a good level out of it if used for that...I do notice amore gain from the UX8 than the UX2...it doesnt hurt to boost with a rane I guess if you want to go that route.
 
Should I sell it and get a better suited mic in the same price range? If so what mic would that be for the vocals I described?
 
Id keep it for some occasions...I love the AT4047 as an all arround vocal mic for the same sort of vocals as you discribe above...if you are into the dynamics though the MD421 beats the SM7 in allmost every catagory...and has higher gain.
 
An SM7b is for a screamer mostly.

Sorry--not true. It gets mentioned for that a lot because it excels there relative to condensers--but it's a great mic period.

Check this out. Not male. (I know you didn't say male, but lots of folks do with the SM7). And definitely not screamer. While she does get after it and wail a bit, she also sings with a quiet, almost whisper like intimacy. We auditioned a half dozen mics in my studio before these sessions, and she loved her voice with the SM7. (Interestingly enough, the pre I used is the ACMP 73 mentioned above--and not nearly dimed out. I've gotten similar results from an ART MPA Gold as well).

Here's the track: SM7 for female vocal
 
How does the MD421 differ fromthe SM7

Well they're both pretty good LDDs
the output on the MD421 is maybe slightly hotter than the 7b but as an LDD still requires a good amount of gain so a noisy preamp problem will very likely still be a problem

as to which you will feel sounds better on your voice singing your material, in your recording space, with your micing techniques through your equipment .........(see where I'm going with this?)..........you'll have to decide
 
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Can anyone tell me what the best, and cheapest preamp is for this mic. I am on a tight budget but want to get a good sound too...

It's been said but I'll say it again:

M-Audio DMP3. For 'inexpensive', it's the most cleanest gain I've ever heard, even against pre's twice the price.
 
Sm7

i would part with my 421 faster than my sm7...but that's just me.

I do like the 421 for guitar and drum stuff, but i always start with the sm7 for any vocals, then start picking from there.

i'd say keep the sm7
 
i would part with my 421 faster than my sm7...but that's just me.

I do like the 421 for guitar and drum stuff, but i always start with the sm7 for any vocals, then start picking from there.

i'd say keep the sm7

A good case for the MD421 is Fleetwood Mac...Elton John...Stevie Nicks and other artists that made great vocal tracks with it...and as far as instruments are concerned it blows away the SM7...keep them both.
 
i would part with my 421 faster than my sm7...but that's just me.

I do like the 421 for guitar and drum stuff, but i always start with the sm7 for any vocals, then start picking from there.

i'd say keep the sm7

I think that is a pretty common opinion, I don't think any dynamic can do as much, as well as the sm7
 
A good case for the MD421 is Fleetwood Mac...Elton John...Stevie Nicks and other artists that made great vocal tracks with it...and as far as instruments are concerned it blows away the SM7...keep them both.

Actually I believe that it was the MD441, not the MD421, that was used by those artists for vocals. The MD441 comes across as a very "hifi" sounding dynamic mic. As usual, very nice on the "right" voice. I think the MD421 is great as an instrument mic on cabs and toms, among other things, but not, IMHO, where I would start for vocals. And just to add to the mix, there is also the MD43, perhaps most famously used by Prince. Also a good vocal mic, and cheaper and more robust than a MD441.
 
Actually I believe that it was the MD441, not the MD421, that was used by those artists for vocals. The MD441 comes across as a very "hifi" sounding dynamic mic. As usual, very nice on the "right" voice. I think the MD421 is great as an instrument mic on cabs and toms, among other things, but not, IMHO, where I would start for vocals.

You can allways go to youtube and watch the videos...and there is a visual difference between the two mics...the 441 is narrower...you will see that Elton John was using the MD421...Stevie Nicks used both mics...but you wont see her with the 421 near as much...the other members of Fleetwood mac used the 421 extensively including Bob Welch....cept Lindsey...he used a Beyer M69
Elton using the 421
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxeBccvWDRQ

Heres Stevie using the 441
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OZ9F3NTvzY&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVR-kaeEW2Y&feature=related
 
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