Advice for budding guitarists!

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As much as I hate jam bands, I think jamming is a necessary skill for a musician.

I agree. I hate jam bands and mindless jamming. Hate it. But it's a necessary evil. You gotta be able to do it to a degree. I'll never be able to sit in with a jazz ensemble, nor would I want to, and I'd never in a billion years even consider doing a blues jam with anyone, but put me in any rock scenario, and I think I could fumblefuck my way around and not be totally useless.
 
This.

By the time the internet was around and tabs were everywhere, I had no use for them. I could pick out songs by ear faster than I could learn the tab. Plus I started by playing bass, which gave me a good feel for the root of the songs. By the time I started playing guitar about ten years later, I could do pretty much what I wanted with most songs. I'm not a super talented musician by any stretch of the imagination, but I can sit in and jam with just about any band. Some of the younger kids I know who are learning their instruments can't jam at all. And it's because they've only learned from tabs. As much as I hate jam bands, I think jamming is a necessary skill for a musician.
we all have our own standards as to how we judge other players.
One of my personal ones is, If you can't improvise you're not my idea of a good player.
 
I too never saw a tab when I was learning...they didn't exist. It was lessons and sheet music with instructors, then I just broke off on my own. Learning piano at the same time helped a lot with the music theory, though these days I rarely have the need to read sheet music, and with my own songs I just write down the chords, time sig, BPM...but the melodies are in my head until I record the songs.

I think the main use of tabs for most young guitarists stems from their need to learn specific solos/licks note-for-note...and apparently most can only do that with diagrams that tell them where to put their fingers instead of working it out by ear, and even developing some self-taught theory when doing so. When they always depend on tabs, they rarely learn or develop anything with their playing.

That's why so many players when jamming, always prefer to simply play songs/leads they have learned. Rarely do any of them actually just improvise off of whatever key/chord progression is being played....they don't know how.
I always suck at jams where people want to play specific songs, note for note. I tell them I don't know those songs, but give me the key/chords and I can easily play along and improvise on the fly.
 
This is sad but true. I can remember on more than one occasion in the late 1960s being on a date with a young lady and after pizza and a movie going out into the country to "park", then getting in the back seat of my car, with my guitar, and leaving the girl in the front seat. Needless to say, I didn't date much.

I have played guitar for around 45 years, I read guitar music and learn the classical pieces I play from sheet music. For that matter I started learning to read music at age seven. But for every thing else, I either had a music book with chords and lyrics, sheet music, or in most cases, sat in front of my record player and learned the songs I wanted to learn playing along with the records. Most of you older guys remember the drill. Put the needle on the track you wanted to learn, listen and try to play along, lift the needle put it back down at the beginning of the track or at the section you were having trouble with and just keep doing that until you learned the song. Learning to play guitar that way trains the ear to hear music on a much deeper level, forces you to learn a lot more about your guitar, and gives you a deeper understanding of song construction and chord progressions.

I don't advocate doing away with tabs, early Renaissance and Baroque lute pieces were written using tablature then later transcribed to notation. But ear training is probably one of the most important aspects of learning any musical instrument.
 
This is sad but true. I can remember on more than one occasion in the late 1960s being on a date with a young lady and after pizza and a movie going out into the country to "park", then getting in the back seat of my car, with my guitar, and leaving the girl in the front seat. Needless to say, I didn't date much.

I have played guitar for around 45 years, I read guitar music and learn the classical pieces I play from sheet music. For that matter I started learning to read music at age seven. But for every thing else, I either had a music book with chords and lyrics, sheet music, or in most cases, sat in front of my record player and learned the songs I wanted to learn playing along with the records. Most of you older guys remember the drill. Put the needle on the track you wanted to learn, listen and try to play along, lift the needle put it back down at the beginning of the track or at the section you were having trouble with and just keep doing that until you learned the song. Learning to play guitar that way trains the ear to hear music on a much deeper level, forces you to learn a lot more about your guitar, and gives you a deeper understanding of song construction and chord progressions.

I don't advocate doing away with tabs, early Renaissance and Baroque lute pieces were written using tablature then later transcribed to notation. But ear training is probably one of the most important aspects of learning any musical instrument.
So true, and understanding chord progressions and theory, even at a basic level will go a long way to helping people learn not only playing, but help them in terms of composition. Also learning some skills in written communication would help in terms of learning to write lyrics. The problem with shredders and people who only know how to play by memorizing tabs is that so often they have nothing to say worth listening to.
 
Wow, there's a lot of venom their man! :D "Cocky young guitarist syndrome", or CYGS, happens all the time, but hopefully most people will learn from their mistakes and learn to take others advice, even if it takes a while. i have no problem with people who have learned from tab and then moved on and advance their playing but it's the ones who think they're the bee's knee's and won't accept comments, feedback, help, or advice that grind my gears.

No venom there, just a lot of truth. I love my nephew, but he lacks one necessary quality--humility. :rolleyes: It's not helped by his having two parents who treat him like he's the most perfect person to walk the planet since Jesus.:facepalm:
I'd rather be able to tell a story in three minutes with some well crafted lyrics and a simple melody than have 10-minute jams in E that show a lot of shredding and tell me nothing other than the guitarist has an overinflated opinion of his abilities. And I use the term third person masculine pointedly because in 40 years of playing and teaching, I've never encountered a female with CYGS. Maybe it has something to do with testosterone combined with Hawaiian Syndrome....;)
 
Several of my guitar and bass teachers have mentioned to say the name of the note out loud when running through scales.
This gives the intervals and is all part of ear training. If you don't they are just scales be they modes etc. they are just scales and notes if you can not determine what and where they fall into the range of the scale you are playing. This also cements the notes of the scale in your brain. And we all know how plastic the old brain is. like rubber if you don't pound this scales into the bloody thing they come right back out.
I recommend practicing one scale or mode at a time until you get it right and then repeat it every week unti you can recite it in a months time without looking anything up.
So as several of our collegues have mentioned let thes become your new friends at least for a bit.
Either that or take some ritaline which I'm reliably told is the new wonder drug for people with no retention or attention span. Just joking ans sorry to the real ritaline recipients.
ciao BronwynH: :eek:
 
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