Acoustics and Wood

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Which brings me onto the subject of recording a decent acoustic guitar. No wait a minute, thats why I came here in the first place, I can't do that very well at all yet.:eek:
Me either. I have a beatiful-sounding guitar that I can't make sound worth crap on a recording. :confused: :o
 
On Sitka Spruce

What don't you agree with. I've built a lot with it and also used it for bracing quite a bit. It's bright and full of "zing" as a rule. Once played in it doesn't mellow or change.

I can only go by personal experience. I "came of age" working in music stores in the early seventies. We carried Gibson, Martin, Guild, Mossman, and the like. Admittedly these were not the golden years of American guitar manufacture. I did all the set-up work so I was able to follow many individual guitars for years during that time. Not all, but many of these guitars showed noticeable improvement from year to year for the eight to ten years I was able to track them. I stand by my position on this one. Typically the guitar would retain it's brightness but add warmth and richness over time. The same was far less true for similarly constructed guitars with Cedar tops, so I concluded that the Sitka itself had an important role.

No guitar will improve much unless it is played. It is use not time that does the trick.

It may well be that an individual luthier can build with Sitka and finish with a guitar that takes full advantage of the wood's potential from the first strum. My experience is with quality factory guitars that did not have this advantage. If that is your point of perspective then I cannot give you an arguement.

Since most of us are using factory guitars I assert that those that are made of Sitka ARE likely to improve with use.
 
You're right muttley I should be much more specific. I recorded a track yesterday and I hated the guitarist's sound. You can check it her eif you like, "Done me Wrong" www.soundclick.com/glasshouserecordings

I'm wondering what makes some guitars bright and crisp (spruce?) others warm (cedar?), others boomy (mahogany?). I'm also wondering if a cedar top is prized because they offer 'better projection', a fact I read elsewhere which I'd like verified.

Telepaul,

I have been using a Fishman Aura Imaging Blender to solve some of the problem you describe. It allows you to dial in a quality guitar image to mix with your mic'ed track. This would only work with an A/E instrument, but some of my resulting tracks have sounded very good. Now if I could just learn to play better!

http://www.fishmanaura.com/
 
Three things:

The mic.
The placement.
The room.

But you knew that, din't ya?
Yeah. It's the right combination of all those things I haven't been able to get worked out.
 
On Sitka Spruce



I can only go by personal experience. I "came of age" working in music stores in the early seventies. We carried Gibson, Martin, Guild, Mossman, and the like. Admittedly these were not the golden years of American guitar manufacture. I did all the set-up work so I was able to follow many individual guitars for years during that time. Not all, but many of these guitars showed noticeable improvement from year to year for the eight to ten years I was able to track them. I stand by my position on this one. Typically the guitar would retain it's brightness but add warmth and richness over time. The same was far less true for similarly constructed guitars with Cedar tops, so I concluded that the Sitka itself had an important role.

No guitar will improve much unless it is played. It is use not time that does the trick.

It may well be that an individual luthier can build with Sitka and finish with a guitar that takes full advantage of the wood's potential from the first strum. My experience is with quality factory guitars that did not have this advantage. If that is your point of perspective then I cannot give you an arguement.

Since most of us are using factory guitars I assert that those that are made of Sitka ARE likely to improve with use.

Common thought on the "opening up" of a guitars sound has to do with two things. What is known as "creep" and the hardening or changing of the lignin that binds the cell walls together.

Creep is the property of a material such as timber to absorb stress or deflection and keep that shape over a period of time. In other words if you bend a piece of timber and let it go it will spring back. Over a period of years it will hold that position. This is reckoned to be important on guitars. I havce yet to see decent proof. The changes to the lignin are to my mind more significant. It adds stiffness to the the timber and also allows sound waves to move across the grain more freely. A top doesn't need to be played to open up. Lots of experiments have been done on violin and guitar tops to prove or disprove this. Current accepted thought is that the only Spruce that demonstrates a big maturing of the sound is European. This understanding may change in future, I doubt it though. There is a big difference between opening up and playing in. I would suggest that what you have observed may be down to playing in. Opening is reckoned to take around fifty years to fully achieve. As I said to start these things are devilishly hard to prove, but I'm pretty much in the mainstream on this one.

Cedar doesn't improve at all to my mind if anything it's better right off the bat. These are all still subjective calls. YMMV
 
Wow. Way to be an asshole.

What do you want me to say? Yeh fantastic, sounds just right, Where's that going to get you? I'll say it again the voice, guitar playing and song are fine. The finer points are lost in a bad sound. I can sugar coat it if you want.
 

Thats fine, I haven't claimed to be a recording expert, in fact the opposite, but I do know what a guitar should sound like. If your happy with it stick with it. Thats all that matters. One suggestion though, don't solicite a specific opinion then throw your toys out of the pram if you don't like the answer because you ain't going to get any help down the road by calling me an asshole!

Asswipe..;)
 
Thats fine, I haven't claimed to be a recording expert, in fact the opposite, but I do know what a guitar should sound like. If your happy with it stick with it. Thats all that matters. One suggestion though, don't solicite a specific opinion then throw your toys out of the pram if you don't like the answer because you ain't going to get any help down the road by calling me an asshole!

Asswipe..;)

You call "it sounds like it was recorded under the sea" a specific opinion? Eh, yeah, thanks, but you can keep your pearls of wisdom.
 
You call "it sounds like it was recorded under the sea" a specific opinion? Eh, yeah, thanks, but you can keep your pearls of wisdom.

Mate lets not fall out over it but that reverb is TOO wet. Try less of it and a bit dryer and see what you end up with. Thats all. The original request you put up was for me to asses the sound of the guitar, I can't it's lost in there. Thats all. Don't take it to heart.

I'm out of this thread now for good.

See yer..
 
Personally, I'd say that it sounds like it was recorded under the Pacific Ocean, in the Mariana Trench, 11,000 meters underwater. That's about how wet that reverb sounds.

Is that specific enough for you? :D
 
To Zaphod B And Telepaul,

Have you tried taking a small diaphragm condenser and sticking it right by your ear? That way it's hearing the guitar the same way you do. That's the sound you correct for when you play. It doesn't work with every guitar but sometimes it works very well.
 
You call "it sounds like it was recorded under the sea" a specific opinion? Eh, yeah, thanks, but you can keep your pearls of wisdom.

Actually, I believe his exact words were "at the bottom of a well." I mean, if you're going to nit-pick, at least quote accurately. ;)
 
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