acoustic drum loops

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I'm trying to find out if anyone has a use for acoustic drum loops in the rock and metal genre.
What would you like a loop CD to have on it? What would you pay for something like that? What do you like about loop CDs? and what don't you like about loop CDs?
 
I have use for them. I've been using beta monkey loops for a long time now but there are a couple things he's been lacking on his loop cd's. He just came out with a double bass metal cd but i'd like more double bass drum loops because there just aren't that many out there. Another thing is that he doesn't use crashes in his loops,he just gives you crash samples that you can add to the loops,which I have never been able to make sound realistic. It would be cool if you could make several different loops the same bpm but have the crash on different point in each loop. It sounds like a bunch of trouble,but if you make a loop cd, I don't care what's on it,you can put me on the list to buy a copy.
 
Yeah, I could use a sample cd as well. I do acoustic guitar singer/songwriter music, just discovered the 'loopology' part of Adobe Audition. Their drum loops sound great to my ears, just very limited in the range of music I play.

For me, I'd want mainly loops in 4/4 time with the tempo indicators in them (like AA does it). That way, I could adjust the tempo to what I want. As far as playing, just your basic "lighter" kit...bass drum, snare, tom or two, a few cymbals. A drum kit you'd hear behind James Taylor for example, as opposed to James Hetfield!
 
Would you wnt them to be pre mixed stereo files or separate tracks for everything?
 
I currently use the BetaMonkey loops as well and find them to be useful for straight 4/4 rock type stuff, but lack quality brush and hot rod loops. For those I use BigFishAudio and they're spotty at best. IMHO, I have yet to find a good collection of simplistic folk/rock/songwriter type beats using quality kits w/ very little compression. Also, I much prefer separate tracks over a stereo mix anyday.
 
Farview said:
Would you wnt them to be pre mixed stereo files or separate tracks for everything?
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For a very basic foundation, I'd want them to be premixed I think. Just the basic drums like bass drum and snare, maybe a high-hat as well. Then have stereo mixed fills and cymbals that you can substitute or overlay.

My main thing is creating demos at home, so I'm not interested in completely "fooling" people into thinking I played a session, more of a quick and dirty way to write songs.
 
sounds like a great idea. I could use a nice collection of real sounding drum loops and samples. for what I am doing a stereo mix would be fine, I can sample in the fills, and all, my self applying stereo or what have you.

I just finished checking out the beta monkey site, exactly the stuff i need.
If you have a similar product ready to go I would order it right now.
let me know how the project gets on.

richard
 
Yes, I use them. Mainly Scott Rockenfield's for Rock stuff but I'm really in need of loops that would go well with other styles. I'm looking for loops that would go well with blues inspired music but haven't found much that interest me. Would also love to find some loops that would work well with progressive music. Hell, anything goes!

I paid $80 for the Rockenfiled loops and if I'm into them I'll pay that for others. I'd really like loops that would give me a stereo mix and broken out into individual tracks. That way I could use the stereo loops for quick ideas etc and use the individuall loops for mixing. My Rockenfiled loops are stereo but I wish I had the option for individual tracks.
 
Cloneboy Studio said:
What about a drum machine?
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No go, at least for me they cannot replace a human drummer on acoustic drums.
But not bad for sketching ideas. I was using Fruity Loops quite a bit at one time but the amount of time it takes is a big hit. But Fruity comes in handy when I need some special little tom rolls or whatever that I don't have with loops.
 
Farview said:
Would you wnt them to be pre mixed stereo files or separate tracks for everything?
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Both if possible.

You have any samples of your playing in mp3 form?
 
I haven't done any of them yet. It was something I was thinking of doing and I was trying to find out what niche was not being served.

It seems that good drum recordings are a big stumbling block for a lot of people. It's very easy for me to do this, I just wanted to know where to focus my energy. I don't see the point in trying to do the same thing everyone else is.

Thank you everybody for your input.
 
Farview said:
It seems that good drum recordings are a big stumbling block for a lot of people. It's very easy for me to do this, I just wanted to know where to focus my energy. I don't see the point in trying to do the same thing everyone else is.
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What do you say to making a few up and let us try them out by incorporating them into a song and we'll see how things go?
 
therage! said:
No go, at least for me they cannot replace a human drummer on acoustic drums.
But not bad for sketching ideas. I was using Fruity Loops quite a bit at one time but the amount of time it takes is a big hit. But Fruity comes in handy when I need some special little tom rolls or whatever that I don't have with loops.
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If you're just demoing songs how can it hurt? Drum machines are fast and good.
 
Cloneboy Studio said:
If you're just demoing songs how can it hurt? Drum machines are fast and good.
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Agreed, they do have their place. I was thinking more in a finished product.

Of course the best thing is your own real live drummer, but then you have to feed him!
:D
 
How about write song with drum machine, and then pay a drummer some cash to drop the drum line? If they are any good they should be able to play to the drums like it were a click track.
 
Cloneboy Studio said:
How about write song with drum machine, and then pay a drummer some cash to drop the drum line? If they are any good they should be able to play to the drums like it were a click track.
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If you program a drum machine, you are limited by your own creativity as far as what drum beats you can think of and feel like programming. With loops you can try different beats against what you are writing and come up with something even better than you would have otherwise.

Musicians that write everything but don't play drums (in particular) or bass tend not to write very interesting parts for the instruments they do not play.
 
A drum beat that you as a guitarist would never think of could inspire you to come up with stuff you would never have.
 
Loops work well if you want a quick and easy beat with minimal fuss yet still get a decent acoustic sound.

Sony (ex-Sonic Foundry) has some really good Acidized acoustic drum loops at a fair price. For basic nuts and bolts "Drum Tools" cannot be beat, very flexible. They have a bunch more loop libraries that might work depending on your needs. You can go to their website and download some samples to get the feel of them.

I find that Betamonkey makes up in quantity and price where it sometimes lacks in quality.

For more flexibility, I use the "Drumkit From Hell" samples in combination with Fxpansion DR-008 (drum synth), Slicy Drummer and Fill-In Drummer, which together take care of all my drum needs.
 
therage! said:
What do you say to making a few up and let us try them out by incorporating them into a song and we'll see how things go?
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Making up a few of what kind of beats? That is kind of what I'm asking. What style does there seem to be a lack of? What would make it good? Assume that sound quality is not an issue. (that's the easy part)
 
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