hixmix
Halibut, North Dakota
Tell me, what do your women think of you?
getuhgrip
Bring Back Transfat!
They think the sun rises to my right and sets to my left! And they get real nervous when I touch myself!
Al, chill out! Your replies border on venomous....and you're the older guy. Maybe high temps equate to thin skin in the south land!
Speaking of the south land (Torrance/Pedro), I had a great trip last week from San Jose to Santa Cruz to Santa Barbara to Torrance and Palm Springs. I regret not having a chance to visit with you, but time got short towards the end of the week.
I'm taking my nephew to the Winter Nationals at Pomona in a couple months. Maybe I could swing out your way then if you have time.
Ya all take some time to read the words before lettin' the lead fly!
J
Jan
New member
This mic position thing is very interesting. I don’t think it’s possible to record five different tracks all played exactly the same on an acoustic guitar. Besides the differences in playing style there is also the movement of the guitar body that greatly influences the recorded sound.
A good compromise would be to do at least three different tests, all of them with five microphones at the same time from a reasonable distance, but change the order of the microphones. If you do something like:
ABCDE
EDCBA
CDEAB
And the outcome would still be exactly the same, you could say that you did a reasonably objective test.
A good compromise would be to do at least three different tests, all of them with five microphones at the same time from a reasonable distance, but change the order of the microphones. If you do something like:
ABCDE
EDCBA
CDEAB
And the outcome would still be exactly the same, you could say that you did a reasonably objective test.
Meshuggah
New member
/me hugz all
omg GROUPHUG!!!
thx bye
V
VirtualSamana
New member
Interesting article at prorec.com brings up some of the issues of this thread:
The Problem with China
p.s. Al is quoted in it.
The Problem with China
p.s. Al is quoted in it.
getuhgrip
Bring Back Transfat!
Sam, sshhhhhh...
c7 is right around the corner.
Wait a second.....c7 is that you?
c7 is right around the corner.
Wait a second.....c7 is that you?
R
Recording Engineer
Moderator
hoe
THAT is a GREAT article!!!
THAT is a GREAT article!!!
MrZekeMan
New member
Re: hoe
You are correct sir. I think Mr Rip Rowan wrote a very objective piece on the whole Chinese mic issue.
The interesting thing is, that he admitted he is begrudging toward Chinese manufactured mics. Yet, he gave the C1 a good review.
I like this part of the article best:
"But on one point people are unanimous - even without the name recognition and mystique of owning a classic brand, most people just can't justify spending $2000 on a mic that offers them no substantial benefit over a $400 or $200 mic.
So the problem with China is that the problem is not just China. The market is poised for a huge change. Either 797 and its Chinese bretheren will continue to penetrate the market, gaining credibility and pushing out the prime brands, or German, American, and Eastern European mic companies will rise to the challenge and meet 797 Audio on its own terms by lowering prices and keeping the buyer's favor."
Rip Rowan sounds like he knows where things are headed.
It's good for us. The more this trend continues, the more accessible quality gear is for us.
Taylor
Recording Engineer said:
You are correct sir. I think Mr Rip Rowan wrote a very objective piece on the whole Chinese mic issue.
The interesting thing is, that he admitted he is begrudging toward Chinese manufactured mics. Yet, he gave the C1 a good review.
I like this part of the article best:
"But on one point people are unanimous - even without the name recognition and mystique of owning a classic brand, most people just can't justify spending $2000 on a mic that offers them no substantial benefit over a $400 or $200 mic.
So the problem with China is that the problem is not just China. The market is poised for a huge change. Either 797 and its Chinese bretheren will continue to penetrate the market, gaining credibility and pushing out the prime brands, or German, American, and Eastern European mic companies will rise to the challenge and meet 797 Audio on its own terms by lowering prices and keeping the buyer's favor."
Rip Rowan sounds like he knows where things are headed.
It's good for us. The more this trend continues, the more accessible quality gear is for us.
Taylor
Tekker
New member
Hey Dragon: How about a interpersonal skills thread??
Where people can go to learn to communicate to one another without ticking each other off.
-tkr
Where people can go to learn to communicate to one another without ticking each other off.
-tkr
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chessparov
New member
It's interesting how the subject of microphones can heat up.
I can't tell you how many times I've read how the RNC kicks butt as a
compressor in its price range and no one challenges that assertion.
With the Studio Projects C1 it seems to be a little different!
Maybe mikes are just more "personal".
I can't tell you how many times I've read how the RNC kicks butt as a
compressor in its price range and no one challenges that assertion.
With the Studio Projects C1 it seems to be a little different!
Maybe mikes are just more "personal".
MrZekeMan
New member
c7sus said:
Yea,
They know they are gonna get reviewed, so they prepare for it by fabricating data to support what they are trying to prove.
MrZekeMan
New member
c7sus said:
ausrock
Well-known member
Well almost my last post in this thread
Maybe I shouldn't have used the word "test" or attempted to give a rough idea of what was done here.................Also you may remember I said in the original post that in other circumstances the result may be different.
C7, I said it before,...... we tried to be fair across the board in what we did................doing otherwise would have just been a waste of time. And I was honestly sceptical about the reviews I had read on the C1.............sure, I new it would be OK but not as pleasing to my ears as it was.
As far as my interest in becoming a reseller, realistically in my part of the world the SP mics would be small fry compared to the other products the importer has to offer (Avalon, Meek, etc...) so there is absolutely no benefit in falsefying "results".
What has pissed me off the most is not that people have questioned how or what we did, but the way they have questioned it, I'm always open to CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, as long as it is just that. If anyone has any doubts about how, what and why we did the comparisons then they should ignore my post and go and get off their collective arses and do "tests" themselves.
Sorry but thats the way it is. Like it or lump it.
Peace.......ChrisO
Maybe I shouldn't have used the word "test" or attempted to give a rough idea of what was done here.................Also you may remember I said in the original post that in other circumstances the result may be different.
C7, I said it before,...... we tried to be fair across the board in what we did................doing otherwise would have just been a waste of time. And I was honestly sceptical about the reviews I had read on the C1.............sure, I new it would be OK but not as pleasing to my ears as it was.
As far as my interest in becoming a reseller, realistically in my part of the world the SP mics would be small fry compared to the other products the importer has to offer (Avalon, Meek, etc...) so there is absolutely no benefit in falsefying "results".
What has pissed me off the most is not that people have questioned how or what we did, but the way they have questioned it, I'm always open to CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, as long as it is just that. If anyone has any doubts about how, what and why we did the comparisons then they should ignore my post and go and get off their collective arses and do "tests" themselves.
Sorry but thats the way it is. Like it or lump it.
Peace.......ChrisO
ausrock
Well-known member
C7sus,
Re Rode mic components.........(I just got off the phone to Rode).
Capsules are Chinese, Rode dont make any here in Aust. at this time. Assembly and some machining and casting is local but again the guy stressed that a lot of their content is sourced overseas. Frankly I felt he was overly defensive about just how much is Aust. and how much is from Asia. But if they wish to keep that end of their business "low-key", so be it.
Keep an open mind my friend.
Peace ............ChrisO
Re Rode mic components.........(I just got off the phone to Rode).
Capsules are Chinese, Rode dont make any here in Aust. at this time. Assembly and some machining and casting is local but again the guy stressed that a lot of their content is sourced overseas. Frankly I felt he was overly defensive about just how much is Aust. and how much is from Asia. But if they wish to keep that end of their business "low-key", so be it.
Keep an open mind my friend.
Peace ............ChrisO
ausrock
Well-known member
C7sus,
Re Rode mic components.........(I just got off the phone to Rode).
Capsules are Chinese, Rode dont make any here in Aust. at this time. Assembly and some machining and casting is local but again the guy stressed that a lot of their content is sourced overseas. Frankly I felt he was overly defensive about just how much is Aust. and how much is from Asia. But if they wish to keep that end of their business "low-key", so be it.
Learnt some interesting things about Shure and AKG as well.
Keep an open mind my friend.
Peace ............ChrisO
Re Rode mic components.........(I just got off the phone to Rode).
Capsules are Chinese, Rode dont make any here in Aust. at this time. Assembly and some machining and casting is local but again the guy stressed that a lot of their content is sourced overseas. Frankly I felt he was overly defensive about just how much is Aust. and how much is from Asia. But if they wish to keep that end of their business "low-key", so be it.
Learnt some interesting things about Shure and AKG as well.
Keep an open mind my friend.
Peace ............ChrisO
MrZekeMan
New member
ausrock said:
what did you learn about shure and akg chris?
ausrock
Well-known member
lmao............after the comments this post generated I have no intention of repeating what the guy at Rode said to me.
Sorry, but NOOOOOOO WAAAYYYYYYY
Peace...........ChrisO
Sorry, but NOOOOOOO WAAAYYYYYYY
Peace...........ChrisO
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RSMITH123
New member
OK guys...
I found a crdible test and review of the C-1 against the U-87 and the U-87 mod at Digital Pro Sound's web site.
They went through the typical discussions and near the end offer 3 wav files, one of each mic on an acoustic. I downloaded them and played them through my studio monitors through Protools.
The U-87 seemed to have a very full bottom end and was a little dead on top.
The U-87 MOD had the same bottom and more definition on the top end.
The C-1 had the same on the bottom and warmth and just about had the top end of the U-87 MOD.
I am sure that a fulltime Engineer could tell all of the differences. I have doing sound for 15yrs and they were really, really close to me. It would be hard with my eyes closed to tell the difference between the U-87 MOD and the C-1. And for 250.00 vs 2000.00, I am picking one up next month without question. Check out the samples and you will be surprised.
I found a crdible test and review of the C-1 against the U-87 and the U-87 mod at Digital Pro Sound's web site.
They went through the typical discussions and near the end offer 3 wav files, one of each mic on an acoustic. I downloaded them and played them through my studio monitors through Protools.
The U-87 seemed to have a very full bottom end and was a little dead on top.
The U-87 MOD had the same bottom and more definition on the top end.
The C-1 had the same on the bottom and warmth and just about had the top end of the U-87 MOD.
I am sure that a fulltime Engineer could tell all of the differences. I have doing sound for 15yrs and they were really, really close to me. It would be hard with my eyes closed to tell the difference between the U-87 MOD and the C-1. And for 250.00 vs 2000.00, I am picking one up next month without question. Check out the samples and you will be surprised.
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Wallycleaver
New member
RSMITH123 said:
No offence, but there is no unbaised test in print. Example. Pretend I own a mic company. I pay X amount of money to eq mag every month to run my ad in it. The mag decides to run a test on some mic. They are not going to say "This mic suck blah blah blah" about my mic. Why? Because they will lose money if they spoke the truth because if they are talking smack about my product, I'll take my $$$ else where. That's how these things work.
MrZekeMan
New member
Wallycleaver said:
Wally,
Your points are well received. I think you would have to be naive to believe that print media is unbiased.
However, for me, it's quite a stretch to say "there is no unbiased test in print." At the very least you would have to say someone like Consumer Reports is unbiased, with no advertising to influence there decision making.
But even beyond that, I would say it's a stretch. I believe there is still some people out there with integrity and principle. And, it works both ways. Say you have a print media where Neumann and Studio Projects both advertise. Who gets the nod? Probably any bias would go toward the one that is an established industry standard, with a long advertising relationship with the mag.
No doubt, some publications are concerned with their reputation and demand objectivity when it comes to reviewing, especially comparing, products. It seems to me it would take very little fabrication of test data, and influencing people to buy crap, and a magazine would be out of business.
In fact when a rag makes a bad call on something like this it is oft times repeated and referred to for a long time.
I think any person with any degree of perception, would conclude that the C1 is a good mic, for the money an exceptional mic. Is everyone that's ever come into contact and conducted tests on the mic wrong and off base??? Me thinks not.
Taylor