A good drummer is more expensive than any drum machine

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For some reason i realize that many good drummer has some kind of weird prdie in them (even myself is also a drummer).
They feel they are the leader and...as well, they charge usually very expensive than other position.
Mostly, they are more expensive than a great drum machine

Ironicly, I thought this is about music; but i realized it's all about money.

Myself is a great jazz piano player + keyboard player.
I never charge 1 penny for performing in other people's recording.

how do I survive? I teach.

dude, nothing is more expensive than the power of making music; let's don't get crazy of making money and forget where you come from.

btw
I still jam for free - - -
i don't charge people for playing with me :rolleyes:
 
A good guitar player is WAY more expensive than any guitar playing machine. Hell, just the beer alone could finance a third world country.
 
Drummers charge a lot cause we haul lots of gear!! Also, we tend to have more expensive drug habits!

Many drummers are happy to lay down tracks free - for the experiance. However, a good "studio drummer" one who knows how to get good tone and can play the right groove to really make a song come alive - and who can groove to a click (and do it in one or two takes) - well that type of drummer deserves to get paid for that level of expertise!
 
mmmhmm

We had our cd release party the other night.... We have played lots of cover gigs, but for some reason that night my drummer turned into some sort of control freak! Once he sat down, I don't think he stopped playing one time, not even for a break in the song! He just kept on playing. At one point we all stopped the song and he just kept going, turned it into some sort of drum solo. I would nod at him for the changes and he would just shake me off. Never seen anything like it...???
 
fakeness said:
For some reason i realize that many good drummer has some kind of weird prdie in them (even myself is also a drummer).
They feel they are the leader and...as well, they charge usually very expensive than other position.
Mostly, they are more expensive than a great drum machine

Ironicly, I thought this is about music; but i realized it's all about money.

Myself is a great jazz piano player + keyboard player.
I never charge 1 penny for performing in other people's recording.

how do I survive? I teach.

dude, nothing is more expensive than the power of making music; let's don't get crazy of making money and forget where you come from.

btw
I still jam for free - - -
i don't charge people for playing with me :rolleyes:
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I'm butcher loaf and grief could send water left from got milk... :confused:
 
I love drummers!! :rolleyes: Really I do. I have been lucky enough to record some of the best drummers in the world, and they are usually worth every penny you pay them, and the great ones are not always as expensive as you think. But also look around and find some cool unknown drummers. I have a small stable of lesser know drummers that I often use that are awesome players, easy going and work for way cheap or free. A good drummer brings so much more to the picture than a drum machine. Long live real musicians!!!
 
Personally you can throw a brick and hit a dozen good guitarists. You'll probably hit only one good bassist, but at least six or seven passable ones--and the guitarist can always fake it good enough anyway. You'll probably hit another dozen singers, but only one of them can sing very good.

But a *good* drummer is worth their weight in gold. Nothing affects music, especially rock/punk/whatever more than the drums and the groove that a good drummer can put in there.

Guitarists can always punch in. Singers can always punch in and do comps. Bassists can get away with punching in too... but punching in drums is a hit/miss affair that is more often a miss. Plus, if they are the type of drummer that HAS to punch in their basic feel probably sucks anyways.

Just tonight I recorded a good band that was being dragged down by their terrible drummer. Everything else was so good... but it didn't matter because this guy had the feel of a corpse, the timing of a dying wind up watch, the energy of a dead battery and the memory of an ameoba. It was SO totally suck. You have NO idea.

I almost stepped in on the drums just to get the session moving. I'm no great drummer but compared to what they had I was a drum god. At least I can play to a click or keep a good tempo, at least I don't miss the high hat every other measure. At least I don't get lost in the middle of a verse and say "sorry forgot what I was playing next".
 
that's crazy,
i think it depends on who you know. My drum teacher is also a temporary studio drummer and he's the best drummer I've ever heard. He can play any style and his playing just sounds so spectacular. He's just got that certain magnificance that you can't explain, it just sounds AWESOME. He's been playing for many many years.

After reading this thread I asked him how much he charges and he told me only $100 a song...

That sounds pretty good, especially for playing of his caliber

T
 
I'll take a real drummer over a machine any day. A machine can't groove.
 
true, if you find a great drummer that has his shit together you've really got something, i had an absolute fablous drummer but all his mind could deal with was his next blow job and bag of weed, i mean this guy was or still is pro stuff, he just can't get out of his own way because of his compulsions, if he'd work with with other band members he might be something but he doesn't care about that end of things, he knows he's very good and that may be the issue or he's not grown up enough to see it, i worked 3 years with him on and off, he's now a carpenter busting his ass but has almost finished collage, drum mach are nice to practice with but they don't improvise or follow your groove...
 
A good drummer is expensive because Joe Blow can take up drums. Guitarists, pianists, and others specialize in something to even be asked into a studio. These people study and are a dime a dozen.

A great drummer(and by great I mean versatile, punctual(performance), and tasteful) is worth all the top piano and guitar players you know.

A drummer without timing may not even be a drummer.

A drummer without taste will metal out your introspective ballad and will think of how many counter-rhythms he can push into your three-chord country tune and fill every measure. And that damn splash... Don't get me started...

A drummer that isn't versatile... Well, your pricetage just went up.

I've recorded guys that can stay in perfect time but, have no feel or musical sense. They thing playing drums for a song is like making a grilled-cheese sandwich. That is so frustrating. I mean, how many guitarists and pianists without character or touch are in your studio.
 
i feed myt family by playing drums. if you want to work for free, then you're part of the problem as far as i'm concerned. i've done everything from studio recording to playing on really big rock tours to small cocktail lounges in hotels

anytime someone wants to pay me to play, i will play. anytime anyoune thinks they can replace me with a drum machine they're welcome to do it.

lately i have been doing a lot of session work at a producers house. the drums are set up in a big living room and have been there for the last two weeks. it's not as good as when we used to work in recordign studios but this is how they want to work and i'm getting paid the same

i'm just glad to have work there are lots of guys i know who don'thave any real work and have had to go to teaching to make money. teaching sucks
 
Ronan said:
I love drummers!! :rolleyes: [snip]...Long live real musicians!!!
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Amen!

Drummers: They have to have more work to do than anyone else in the band, near as I can tell. They are moving almost all their body parts all the time, working their asses off. And good point made earlier by another poster that drummers have a lot more gear to lug (except maybe the sound engineer, if you have one). It's definitely a high-energy position.

(Disclaimer, I'm married to a drummer, so I may be prejudiced.)
 
Drummers are one of the most valuble assests to a band. I've yet to find one. I have come across many drummers very good ones at that, although I can't find one suitable for my band. In Buffalo, drummers are hard to come by.

You can find a bunch of guitarists anywhere. but drummers are a dime a dozen.
 
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