$400.00 1 Microphone

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Hello everyone, I have $400.00 to spend on one microphone for recording vocals and acoustic guitar, any ideas as to what one i should buy? Because i know very little about microphones.
Any help would be greatly appreciated : )
Thanks, Ash
 
One of these...I think they are even cheaper these days

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Yo Ashmaybe! Before we give you *totally* useless anwers, what do you intend to plug this mic into? Although there are subcategories, most mics generally fall into one of 2 categories: Dynamic mics and condenser mics (usually referred to as capacitor mics across the pond). Most condenser mics require something called phantom power, which is sent back up the mic cable to provide power for the mic. Both types are widely used for vocals, but most (not all) folks favor condenser mics for recording acoustic instruments. If you are going to plug the mic into something that doesn't provide phantom power, and you buy a condenser mic, you will be pretty well screwed.

The second thing we need to know is where you are. What $400 will buy in the USA and in Australia or England is two different things. That said, there are some other qualities/design features of mics that affect your choice, the main ones being diaphragm size and polar patterns. Small diaphragm mics (usually about 1/2") are preferred by many for acoustic instruments because the lighter diaphragm responds well to fast transients, when things go from quiet to loud, and then back again very quickly. Large diaphragms (usually about 1") are often favored for vocals, precisely for the opposite reason, because they respond more slowly to variations in the vocal output, tending to smooth things out a bit. There are also a few medium size diaphragm mics (about 3/4") which split the difference.

Dynamic mics have generally weaker output, and therefore require recording equipment that can produce a lot of gain without a lot of noise, and are often employed on very loud sources (drums, amps, belters and screamers), and may have advantages in recording where there is more background noise.

Regarding polar patterns- this describes the way and the degree to which the mic's pickup is directional. The most common type is cardioid (shaped like a heart) They pick up more to the front, less to the back and sides. They can be less directional (wide cardioid) or more directional (hypercardioid and supercardioid). The other most common types are omnidirectional (a 360 degree sphere- basically not directional at all) and figure of 8 (picks up more to the front and back, but very little to the sides). Note that all directional mics (anything *but* an omni) produce "proximity effect". When the source is real close to the mic, bass is boosted. Vocalists, DJ's, and standup comedians often use this effect as a tool, flirting with the proximity field, and moving in and out of it for emphasis. Omnis don't do that, and can be placed very close to a quiet source without bass boosting. When cranked up, they will tend to pick up *everything*, which can be good in a great room, or awful in an urban apartment.

OK- having defined some of the basic qualities of mics, this leads us to the next two questions you need to answer: First, do you intend to record the acoustic guitar and vocal separately, or at the same time? Those are two different ball games. The second is- what kind of room do you intend to record in? A room with big curtains in a quiet suburban neighborhood, a bedroom in a college dorm, a concrete basement in downtown LA? These are different ball*parks*.

Next, mics have differing frequency response patterns. Some mics tend to boost high frequencies. They are often called "bright". Mics that boost low frequencies are called "dark". If the frequency response is pretty even, we call them "flat". Some mics produce subtle distortion, which is intended to cover up annoying detail, lip smacking, etc., like airbrushing a centerfold. While flattering to some vocalists, they can also conceal the delicate nuances of an acoustic instrument. This could be a good thing on a cheap acoustic, but not so good on a $5000 Martin. We call mics that produce more intentional distortion "colored" when we like it, and "muddy" when we don't. Mics that produce very little of this distortion are often called "transparent" or "clean". Whether we like mics that are bright or dark, colored or transparent, is often a matter of personal preference, either for voice or guitar. Mics are like shoes- they either fit, or they don't. No one can look at a picture of you and tell you what shoes will fit you.

It should also be noted that the same qualities apply to microphone preamps, whether standalone units, or those found in mixers, standalone recorders, PA's, or computer interfaces. Often, we like the sound of a certain mic, on a certain source, through a certain preamp. The bitch is- we don't all agree on what sounds good, which is why answering your question is so damned hard. All that we can really do is increase your knowledge base, so that you can make better decisions for yourself.

Now that I have defined some terms, we can really begin to look at the mics themselves. For instance, the mic recommended above is a CAD M179. It is a large diaphragm condenser mic with multiple polar patterns. It can be changed from a cardioid to an omni or figure 8 at the flick of a switch, making it rather versatile. I would call it bright and transparent, as they go.

Once you have digested the above, and answered the questions I have asked, a whole bunch of people will jump in and try to recommend some mics. When we have the answers to my questions, the answers will become more meaningful and useful. The answers are likely to fall into two general categories. The first group will try to give you what you asked for (one mic) and will generally recommend mics by Shure, B.L.U.E., AKG, Studio Projects, CAD, Rode, Oktava, Audio-Technica, Marshall Electronics (MXL), or others not as well known. The second group will advise you that the needs of vocals and acoustic guitar are not the same, and will suggest buying two or three mics with different qualities on your budget. Neither group is wrong. They are simply different solutions to your stated task. It *will* get confusing, because we don't all agree. Hopefully some of this will help you to sort through the different opinions. I'll make my own recommendations, when I have the answers to my questions. Hang in there. It will all eventually make sense.-Richie
 
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Okay to answer your questions short form Richard,
I am planning to plug the microphone into a Tascam DP-01FX (Unless advised against or recomended a better quality for money)
I live in Australia
I WILL be recording seperatly
And i am recording in a 9m x 9m soundproof room.
 
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OK... That clears up lots of things. First, the Tascam DP-01FX is a discontinued model. A little obsolescent, particularly because it only offers 2 simultaneous tracks in, it should be more than adequate for your stated purposes. It will give you the phantom power required by capacitor mics.

You have some kind of good room, and that supports the use of capacitors also. Recording separately widens your choices. If I'm recording them at the same time, I really want to have a figure 8 available, but separately is fine with a cardioid only. Some people like omnis for acoustic guitar, but they are rarely used for vocals. That doesn't mean they can't be, especially recording solo in a good room.

Given that you are in Australia, I can't tell you what prices are on most mics, but it's a good bet that your prices are usually higher than in the US, and that there are serious tariff reasons to consider Rode mics, because they are made in Australia. Anything in the British Commonwealth is better than not. Unfortunately, most of the mics in your price range are sold by companies in Japan, Austria, Germany, the US, and China. Many of those are actually built in China.

There is a tremendous advantage to buying used, because it may allow you to look at mics otherwise too dear for you. At the top of my list is Rode NTK. It is a large diaphragm tube condenser mic, also known as a valve mic. It has a separate power supply, because the valve requires more power than the 48 volts provided by phantom power. In the US, it's basically a $500 mic new. If you could find one used in your price range, you could do a lot worse. It is a large diaphragm, cardioid only, lightly colored, slightly bright mic that is very hot, which is to say that it has a relatively high output. This is good, because the preamps on most standalone recorders, like the Tascam, tend to get a bit noisy when they are cranked up, and the NTK doesn't require much gain.

If the price of an NTK is too high, I would consider Rode NT-1a, which is cardioid only, or NT2a, which is similar, but offers cardioid, omni, and figure 8 patterns. The CAD M179 referenced above or Audio-Technica AT4033 wouldn't be a bad choice, depending on what they can be had for down under. The AT4033 is a medium sized diaphragm, fairly flat, transparent cardioid mic. My personal suggestion (after the NTK) is rather an oddball, AKG C2000B. It is an Austrian made mic, unlike the AKG Perception series, which are made in China. Although a small diaphragm mic, the diaphragm is set in an oversixed retainer ring, and with a larger housing than most small diaphragms, it performs more like a medium diaphragm mic. It is moderately colored (more than the CAD or AT4033, more like the NTK) and it is damn near ruler flat. It has fairly hot output, although not as hot as NTK. It is not the first mic I put up for anything. It is the second mic I choose for damn near anything. A real swiss army mic, it is a great choice if you only get one mic. I have used both the NTK and C2000B extensively for both vocals and acoustic, and do not hesitate to recommend them for your stated uses. I think Rode NT1a is your best fallback position if neither of the others can be fit into your budget. That's the best advice I have. Best of luck to you. Please let us know what you selected, how it worked out, and by all means, post up some clips when you are ready.-Richie
 
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Sorry about the double post. I don't know how that got duplicated-Richie
 
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Not sure what kind of prices you have to pay down under....
...but check out the ADK mics - Hamburg Mk8, Vienna Mk8, A6 --all in your $400 range.
They tend sound better than a lot of the low priced stuff that usually gets recommended in these types of threads.
If you want a real serious *the one* vox/guitar mic...the ADK TT, but it's more $$$. I have it in their CE (commemorative edition), and it's fantastic on everything. It's the best mic I have, and I have a few to pick from. :)
http://www.adkmic.com/applications/

Oh...I would not go for an Audio Techinca 4033.
I never much liked mine for vocals or acoustic guitar, rather thin sounding....but it has other uses.
There are other ATs that might be better for you...like the 4047SV or the 4050...but both a little more than $400.
What kind of voice do you have?
What kind acoustic guitar(s) do you plan to use?
You want to match the mic to the tonal characteristics of both for an optimum match, but some mics will cover a wider range of voices and guitars.
 
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First, I think Miroslav's suggestions are all valid ones. In defense of the AT4033, it has been a studio standard for Bluegrass in major studios for years, and is used widely in commercial recording in Nashville for acoustic, mandolin, banjo, and vocals. See what I mean? In the end, we aren't going to agree on what sounds good, largely because we have different ears, along with our different tastes. In another thread, Miroslav and I have discovered that we have very different opinions on certain drum mics. Does that mean I think he's wrong? No. It means I think he and I don't necessarily agree on what sounds good. His hearing is as valid as mine. You have to find out what *you* think sounds good. That takes time, and before you are done, you will probably buy a mic or two that don't work out for you. No one can save you from that, unfortunately.-Richie
 
First, I think Miroslav's suggestions are all valid ones. In defense of the AT4033, it has been a studio standard for Bluegrass in major studios for years, and is used widely in commercial recording in Nashville for acoustic, mandolin, banjo, and vocals. See what I mean? In the end, we aren't going to agree on what sounds good, largely because we have different ears, along with our different tastes.

I have one of the first edition 4033 mics...and I think(?) AT "adjusted" them in later editions for better tone. I just found it a touch strident, and I couldn't get my baritone vocals to translate well.

But yeah...everyone is different, every situation is different...so at some point you just go-for-it...buy a mic, and find out for yourself if it's the one that works.

The bad thing about owning/buying just one mic is that you may never have a good reference. IOW...there may be something much better out there, so if you can actually try out some mics (preferably in your environment)...that's the best way to go.
 
I have one of the first edition 4033 mics...and I think(?) AT "adjusted" them in later editions for better tone. I just found it a touch strident, and I couldn't get my baritone vocals to translate well.

But yeah...everyone is different, every situation is different...so at some point you just go-for-it...buy a mic, and find out for yourself if it's the one that works.

The bad thing about owning/buying just one mic is that you may never have a good reference. IOW...there may be something much better out there, so if you can actually try out some mics (preferably in your environment)...that's the best way to go.

I couldn't agree more. And here's an all purpose related tip.- I pay a lot of attention to what Miroslav says. He's obviously got years of experience sticking mics in front of things, and we often disagree. I can't learn very much from people who agree with me. We can pat each other on the back a lot, and feel good that we both recognize the value of a BFG2000 nuclear preamp, but we don't learn much. I find some of my best mentors on this board have been experts who hear things differently from me. I record things for other people, and they, too, may hear things differently. Often the mic choice of one of those people that disagrees is what my client needs to hear what they want. And sometimes, I find out that I am just wrong. If I stop listening and learning, just shoot me and get it over with.-Richie

BTW- in my experience, I prefer the AT4033 on a tenor voice than on a baritone, and I prefer it on a darker guitar, like an old Martin, to a brighter one, like my Taylor.
 
I prefer the AT4033 on a tenor voice than on a baritone, and I prefer it on a darker guitar, like an old Martin, to a brighter one, like my Taylor.

Yup...that could be just the ticket that makes or breaks a mic choice.
That's the same thing with the snare mic discussion on the other thread.
I just think my wood snare likes the 604. :)
I bet if I tried it with a metal snare...I might find it is not a good match.
 
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