2x12, 4x12, what you like?

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Greg_L said:
Kill you.
It still doesn't explain how people that know way more than you, me, and most of us in here have used them for decades with great results. I guess they're all wrong too, huh? :laughings: :laughings: :laughings:
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I'm not sure where you get your ideas, maybe pop culture, but walk into any recording session with "people that know way more than me" and I gaurantee you that 99 times out of 100 you will not see a Marshall 1960 cab being used. They are middle of the road crap.
 
recordman said:
I'm not sure where you get your ideas, maybe pop culture, but walk into any recording session with "people that know way more than me" and I gaurantee you that 99 times out of 100 you will not see a Marshall 1960 cab being used. They are middle of the road crap.
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We were talking about live. Try to keep up.
 
recordman said:
baltic birch. It is a very high quality and expensive plywood product for a reason. Every veneer is quality, all voids are filled and it's laminated with exterior rated glue.
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You are not telling me anything I don't already know.

recordman said:
Everything else is disposable in my eyes.
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Fine, then, use whatever material suits you.
 
recordman said:
Everything else is disposable in my eyes.
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Maybe it's time to visit the optometrist.

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Personally i've never been a venue where it would make one fuck of a difference anyway, sound seems to awful in every venue. Even the 02 academies which you'd think would have plenty of money on it, sound is awful. I saw the blackout at my local venue recently, i don't think i'd have noticed if the guitarists just stopped playing. Sound engineers just seem to turn everything up to full and then sit back happy.
 
My 4x12" on guitar is solid pine, sucks ass, sounds honky. My deeper 2x12" (peavey) sounds really raunchy and good, the smaller-cabinet other 2x12 is usable, but not as raunchy. Allthough. a Koch Pedaltone through a Sovtek Bassov blues midget, makes even that small 2x12" sound like a serious behemoth when punished with my Gibson Baritone. :cool:

On bass, I just bought a 2x10" GK, which blows big time. rated 400w, played with 500w solidstate, can't hear a f*cking thing from it. :mad: My other rig is 1x18" plus 2x10", which I can cope with. The bassist on my other band uses a 8x10" Ampeg.... Ok, it sounds great, but that damn thing is NOT meant to be moved, ever. I prefer my more "modular" setup.
 
Anyhow, to address the original question.

I've never owned a 4 X 12 but have played with guitarists that have, and IMO a Marshall (or other good) tube amp on top of either a half-stack or full stack is a pretty definitive sound.

That said, I have owned mostly 2 X 12 cabs (standalone cabs and combos), closed-back and open-back. (Then there was that Fender Super Six Reverb - a 6 X 10 combo... :eek:)

The closed-back vs open-back decision really depends on what speakers you are using. Generally speaking speakers with AlNiCo magnets need to breathe a little more so they sound better in an open-backed cab, and ceramics like closed back cabs. But that's not a hard and fast rule.

My current cab is my latest build - an oversized 2 X 12, open back, with Weber AlNiCos, and it is a very very big sounding box. To be honest, the only reason you need anything more than a 4 X 12 is for appearance, and the only reason you need even a 4 X 12 is to get a little more sound dispersion on stage than what a 2 X 12 might get you.
 
stevieb said:
IMHO, there is no magic in one brand of 4X12 cab, vs. another. If you have:
1. a dense cabinet material (plywood, OSB, fiberboard, solid pine,)
2. A proven interior space and dim's,
3. The same, and good drivers,
4. Good tight joints,

No matter WHO'S name is squeezed between the speaker grills, it's gonna sound the same. So, why spend the extra dough for a name?
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Nope. You are mistaken there.Cabs can and do sound as different as the amps we use to push them.
 
recordman said:
Actually, yes. You apparently have no ear for tone my friend. G12T75's + 3/4" MDF back + baffle-back brace + baffle screwed in = dry, sterile, can of bee's, kill me.

Not a bad cabinet for recording but completely unacceptable for live use.
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recordman said:
My opinion is the only one that matters.
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recordman said:
My opinion is the only one that matters.
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Listen, man, I know you're new here, and I try to be open minded with new guys because everyone has something new to bring to the table, and diversity is cool, and all that jazz.

But, please go reread your posts. You may or may not be knowledgable about cabinet design, but I find I'm completely disinterested in finding out because you're being an absolute asshole in the way you present your opinions. Take a deep breath, reread what you've been saying, and try not to be so arrogant and condescending when you say it - people just may be a little more inclined to hear you out. :)

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Personally, I use a Mesa Recto 2x12 cab. A couple reasons - for recording/practice, a 4x12 would probably be overkill for my bedroom. More practically, I live of the 3rd floor of an old 3-story house, and the guys I practice with play on the third floor of another old 3-story house, with no AC, no less. I can lug a 2x12 down my stairs and toss it in my trunk, then hoist it back up another three floors easily enough on my own, but make that a 90-some-odd pound Mesa 4x12, and I'd hate my life. :lol: Also, while a 4x12 would undeniably be deeper than a 2x12, trust me, even running EL34s a Mesa Roadster moves plenty of low end through a 2x12. :laughings:

I kind of want to pick up a second 2x12, so I can have a "half stack" of sorts for live use (Andy Timmons has been doing this lately, and I <3 his tone), and so I can just leave the second one at my drummer's place and only have to carry my head around.
 
DrewPeterson7 said:
I can lug a 2x12 down my stairs and toss it in my trunk, then hoist it back up another three floors easily enough on my own, but make that a 90-some-odd pound Mesa 4x12,.
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My 2 x 12 Bassman cabinet weighs in at 110. :D

It was a hilarious scene dragging that box up ONE flight of stairs.

It has remained there ever since. :laughings:
 
oh, and on thecab question I tend to prefer single twelve combos but that's simply because I play nightly and don't want to drag too much shit around.
HOWEVER, I don't play metal or stuff that uses a lot of bottom end. To get that deep bottom I'd think you're gonna want to have a closed back cab.
 
drstawl said:
It's an original '64 Bassman Cab with a pair of JBL E-120 drivers.
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That's what I thought.
Them JBL's are some heavy mofo's.
I used to have a Super with 4 D-110's in it ....... couldn't lift the damned thing.
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Shoot, I can't lift the previous 2 X 12 I built. It's made of doubled-up 3/4" MDF with 3/4" plywood baffle and back, and it weighs, like, a fucking ton.

And according to recordman it sounds like crap. :laughings:
 
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