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I listened to the first cut....... kind of thin and weak-sounding. There's no punch or depth at all. Vocals are thin and buried, drums are flat and lifeless. No definition to the bass/low-end.

About the only thing I didn't mind was that the guitars sounded tight at least (although again, there's an inexplicable thinness to it)

I'm wondering if there's a problem in your monitoring chain or room that is giving you the impression of more mids than there really are - creating very thin-sounding results when listened outside of your control room.

What kind of gear are you using?
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
I listened to the first cut....... kind of thin and weak-sounding. There's no punch or depth at all. Vocals are thin and buried, drums are flat and lifeless. No definition to the bass/low-end.

About the only thing I didn't mind was that the guitars sounded tight at least (although again, there's an inexplicable thinness to it)

I'm wondering if there's a problem in your monitoring chain or room that is giving you the impression of more mids than there really are - creating very thin-sounding results when listened outside of your control room.

What kind of gear are you using?
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krk v6 monitors, audixd2sand d6, a couple a crappy overheads akg sc1's,
but i just got a pair of blue dragon flys that smoke those things. uhmm..i used amplitube on the guitars, vox neumannu87 and a focusrite voicemaster pro. a royer 121 and a sen 421 on the bass, which i blended.
and then i "attempted" to master it using the new plugs i just bought from waves (masters bundle). wich is probably the reason for the wierd mid stuff.
im pretty new to those plugs, so im still experimenting. i sent the whole mix through my ua 2-610, do u think that has anything to do with the low dfinition loss?....oh, and the vocals..i like em IN the music, not on top of it.
so thats a taste thing.
 
oh and i thought the drums sounded badass, especially at the end of the song.
could you be more specific about what you diddnt like about em?
 
xfinsterx said:
oh and i thought the drums sounded badass, especially at the end of the song.
could you be more specific about what you diddnt like about em?
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Yes - they sounded dull and flat - no dynamics, no punch! Kind of reminded me of the squashed sound one gets when using drum machines......
 
yeah,im not sure if youve ever heard of a band called FEAR FACTORY bear man, but thats the sound i was shooting for.
ill post some tracks in a while, of this heavy blugrass band im tracking that will have the "UMPH" your speaking of man, i comprende.

ya know where my biggest issues were?

was getting the keys to play nice with the guitars, and not congest the mix.

both were in stereo far l and r so i did some eq carving here and there.

whats your cure for congestion man?

oh, and by the way i went and checked out some of your studios work.
you should post some sometime.

thanx for the tips.

peace.
:D
 
xfinsterx said:
ya know where my biggest issues were?

was getting the keys to play nice with the guitars, and not congest the mix.

both were in stereo far l and r so i did some eq carving here and there.

whats your cure for congestion man?
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Specifically between keyboards and guitars, it all starts with the arrangement. If the band simply can't come up with a an acceptable arrangement that allows the keys and guitars to play nicely together, then at mixing I'll try to fit them using both panning and EQ to carve spaces... if that doesn't work, I can be pretty brutal with the mute button!


xfinsterx said:
oh, and by the way i went and checked out some of your studios work.
you should post some sometime.
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Thanks! I post the occasional bit here and there, but it isn't often that I can, since it depends entirely on the permission of my clients!
 
bear man, do you ever bus the entire drum set to an auxillary stereo pair.
and if you do, do you ever put plugs on the ENTIRE DRUM SOUND?
if you do, which plugs do you use.

im a plug in junkie dude, bear with me here.
 
The only time I do that is for the NY style of mixing mentioned in your other thread....... it all depends on the material of course, but I'll buss the rhythm section (bass/drums - sometimes with/without kick and/or bass - depends), run EQ to boost lows and highs (quite aggressively), then run that to a compressor (an RNC is great for this!) set to pump with the beat.

I'll then mix that back into the main mix, tucked just under everything -- it tends to tighten and fatten the backbeat considerably!

Other than that, I don't too much other bussing -- sometime experiments with vocals and such, but that's about it!
 
i use a similar trick on guitars. nice ima text that an use that trick.

ya, know i dont own a single compressor (outboard).
and you and every home wookie in the damn country is screamin about these really nice compressors (rnc)
guess ill have to break down and try/buy one.

thanx for the tip.
ive got friends in ottawa by the way, i heard it sucks.
but maybe theyre just wimps.

cya. :rolleyes:
 
xfinsterx said:
ive got friends in ottawa by the way, i heard it sucks.
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Naw - Ottawa's great! Very clean place... some amazingly talented musicians.... only bizarre thing is that the music scene is somewhat "hidden"..........
 
Sweet song! I love those guitars. Some awesome riffs in there. You guys got all the bases covered, but I thought maybe the bass could be pushed up a little.

I wish there was an OSX version of Amplitude. It sounds pretty good.
 
I enjoyed this. My only criticism would be that the snare sounds distant. I think you should raise it a bit.
 
Daenn said:
Sweet song! I love those guitars. Some awesome riffs in there. You guys got all the bases covered, but I thought maybe the bass could be pushed up a little.

I wish there was an OSX version of Amplitude. It sounds pretty good.
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dude there is a version go to, www.ikmultimedia.com

peace.
 
thanx for the feed back, the snare yeah, im feelin ya there, i made a pretty wicked mistake when recording the drums and ended up sorta frying the top snare mic signal, so a month later at mix time i had to improvise so i just blended the trigger and the bottom snare together as best i could.
normally these two signals would only fatten the top snare track.
lol, i wont be making that mistake again.
thanx for the input, im suprised no ones commented on the 2nd song (opticollide)

peace
 
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can i get a couple a reviews on the 2nd song (opticollide)
feedback folks.

ahem.
please.
 
the first song was talented but i dont like metal that much.
but i really loved the second song, i even downloaded it into my player.
thats one of the most original beats ive ever heard!
good work :)
 
ok so how did you do that crazy bass stuff at the end of the song?
that was insane sounding!
its like a digital scream or something. :eek:
 
Don't know much about technical stuff, but I can hear and I enjoyed every second. Truly inspired stuff!!! Haunting and beautiful at the same time. Especially enjoyed the second song.
 
On Opticollide...

Catchy arrangement. One of the most unique grooves I have heard.

It is like ELO's Jeff Lynne fronting Rush. Anyway...

I think the vox could come up and be fattened up a bit in the first section. I love the 'ooh's', nice touch.

I would also bring the guitars up a bit, or the synth down a bit. The guitar is sweet, it should not get lost at all in the keyboard pad underneath.

right before the 1:49 transition, I would love to hear the pad build some tension just before yoiu kick it into high gear.

At the 3:12 moogathon, I would swim the synth all around the soundscape. Do some wild panning. It would fit nicely. Maybe even swim around three versions of the same synth riff. A low sub, the one you have, and a high one. You could make a real funky vortex with it.

Well, there you go.

I love the ending too.
 
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