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Definitely a grabby deal. rats was squawking about my laziness in not doing the guitar fills on my last Acid tune, so, aside from the vocals, how much of this did you produce and then Acidize?

I only caught a couple of places where the clip timing didn't integrate well with the ACID environment.
 
Sam

Another classic.
The sampled "Lets face the music" sounds like Helen Thomas.

A wide range of sounds, its hard to give a critique.
Drums are a tad buried (IMHO) for such a high energy part of the tune. (middle)

Did you do anything different with the mix on this than you normally do????
It has a slightly different atmosphere (sibilance?) than most of your other epics.
Then again.....................EVERYTHING you do has different sounds!

Very cool tune.
Joel
 
thanks for the spin everyone..


here's a breakdown.. from 0:00 -0:16.. the underlying machine sound and opening flutes are samples.. @16 I came in with vocals and strings.. I played the strings.. (Roland XV 20-20) and did 2 vocal tracks.. @33 I came in with 2 guitar rhythms and more Roland synth, and more samples.. including the drums in this part and the voices/screams.. it basically repeats..

@1:20 there are no more samples until 2:20.. I played the drums in this part using pads and a Roland TD-8.. there are 2 guitars here, and 2 different synths, plus another guitar melody(solo) and 3 voices in the vocal harmony..

@2:10 it basically repeats like the beginning, except with different samples.. I played all the string melodies, but all the one note sounds were samples..

It was put together like this..

I recorded the intro and outro acid parts as 2 different songs, and burned them to a CD.. I recorded the intro into my stand alone recorder.. I came up with the middle section, and then added the outro.. All the vocals, guitars, TD-8 drums, and synths were added on top of, or in between the original acid songs..

Finally, I mixed it all together and burned it to a CD.. I ripped a wave from the Cd, and imported it into sonar.. I added an L1 preset and made an mp3..


thanks for the comments guys.. It's always fun reading them.. This thread had quite a few views and one reply.. I expected a one star greeting today..

happy valentines day! :D
 
B.SABBATH said:
I mixed it all together and burned it to a CD.. I ripped a wave from the Cd, and imported it into sonar.. I added an L1 preset and made an mp3..
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hey sabbath, what do you do the l1 preset for in sonar? is it kind of a pseudo mastering thing? what's the main purpose of doing it?
 
really having fun with those samples!

your now popping these tunes out at a dizzying pace

great production skills as usual!
 
dtb said:
Why did you make all your tunz download only? Or is it me.
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hey dtb, I made the older ones download only to save some bandwith for Waldo.. I usually encode higher than 128 and it hogs up a lot of bandwith when they're streamed, and it makes streaming skip.. I figure now when I put up a new song, I'll throw up a 128 that can be streamed, and a VBR for those who can..



powderfinger said:
hey sabbath, what do you do the l1 preset for in sonar? is it kind of a pseudo mastering thing? what's the main purpose of doing it?
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hey powder, the L1 is just a fancy limiter type thing.. It's main purpose is to raise the overall volume of the track without adding any artifacts.. A lot of times when you hear a super loud mix, they're probably using an L1.. It's not necessary, but it makes things overall louder, and it's easy to use..





I appreciate all the comments guys.. I agree the drums get too low in the middle section too.. Darth Faders was cool enough to do some mastering on this, and I learned some things just by listening to it.. If anyone wants to hear that version, I may put it up later..


thanks again everyone..
 
Bonham! That's who you remind me of!

I never know what to say when replying to one of your tunes....good stuff maynard!

Slackmaster 2000
 
B.SABBATH said:

I appreciate all the comments guys.. I agree the drums get too low in the middle section too.. Darth Faders was cool enough to do some mastering on this, and I learned some things just by listening to it.. If anyone wants to hear that version, I may put it up later..
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Put the mastered version up!
 
Very Fun

Mornin Sam,
And Happy Valentine's Day to you too.
Oh, what's VBR? Cause, after all,
what do I know?
Bill
 
Real catchy tune. :D Just kidding.

I'm trying to think of something to say about it and I'm drawing a blank. I mean it's all real professional sounding. It's just that I can't think of anything to say.

Who was that saying "Isn't it quiet all of a sudden?"? The voice sounds familiar, kind of like Davy Jones (Monkees).

Cool piece - in a horror film sort of way.
 
You know as I was listening to this I was thinking that Halloween is a lot like Valentines day and you really made it come together with this song.. You put my feelings to music.. You have quite an imagination my friend...


Great job BSABBATH!
 
"thanks if ya bother":cool: :rolleyes: :D haha, hey i ca't d/l this just this sec, but make no mistake i'm coming back after it!
 
That was fun. I have to agree with Crawdad...even though this isn't a style of music that I would listen too all the time, it is quite unique and you have a great knack for putting it all together. You should be doing this for a living. Very creative.

P.S. - Just because I said I wouldn't listen to it all the time doesn't mean I didn't like it. I just can't sing to it in the car ;) :D
 
Sorry to be so late to the party but I've just been too freakin' busy to get to the board at all for the last couple of weeks. Like Fenderlicker, I'mm too lazy to type tonight but a big two-thumbs up from the bayou! :)
 
nice stuff. and like a couple other people here, as of late..finding time and too many posts on the clinic make it hard to make the rounds sometimes. ..but I did listen when it first came out, but was doing something else that I couldn't type a response...or it would have been just like all my other repsonses... great ...blah, blah, blah..

Crawdad had/has a point...but unfortunately, this goes to show that pure quality stuff, doesn't mean you sell CD's by the truckfull...and that is just wrong to me. I think that your stuff has such a "sound" to it, that doing something other than playing live, selling CD's etc..might be tough. As quality as your stuff is, it is in a specific genre, that probably wouldn't lend itself to alot of other stuff... xtreme ESPN maybe!! But, don't take this statement as a critisizm, because I think having a "sound" is very important for a musician. It is too bad that the internet isn't really opening doors for quality musicians like yourself, because you'd be at the top of the heap...(even if you do just play ebow!). When the internet really started to offer accesible music, I thought things could really happen...make a website, sell CD's, make money....stay at home and record all day...blah, blah.. I feel just the opposite is happening.

Well, enough rant, and I hope you understand the angle I am coming from. This tune is just another of many that are just fantastic, and they all "link" together...even your techno one too. Maybe you need flyers and a zillion telephone poles to staple them too. But, with free fine music of YOUR caliber, why buy stuff... ? In a way, it is kinda like we are shooting ourself in the foot. I'd bet if you only posted "tidbits" of your stuff, your CD's would sell....IF people were able to listen to it in QUANTITY. Because, they'd want the whole thing. I don't have answers, but you deserve more than "average" wages above playing bars , etc.

You mentioned a web page in the past.. Is that happening?
 
Not to hijack Sam's thread but I agree with Mix about the current state of CD sales but unlike him, I don't really care. The fact is, for the overwhelming majority of musicians, record or CD sales have never been a source of much income. Their money has always come from gigs and records were originally mainly a booking aid. The artists didn't make much money from the records but made their money from the concerts that they could book from those records. That's historically the way the industry has always been structured. In the 60s and 70s we started seeing mega-money acts but they have always been in the minority. The real money makers were the record companies and they don't like to share. So if all the major labels go belly up, I could give a crap. All that means is that musicians will have to go back to being traveling minstrals to earn a living....and they will have to be good 'cause people won't pay to see crap.
So this will be good for music even though we'll all have to give up our (unrealistic and unattainable) dreams of being millionairs from our CD sales. But it will break the stranglehold the record companies have on creativity and diversity of styles.

OK, we return this thread to its' previously scheduled programming.
 
Lt. Bob said:
So if all the major labels go belly up, I could give a crap. All that means is that musicians will have to go back to being traveling minstrals to earn a living....and they will have to be good 'cause people won't pay to see crap.
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Thats what it's always been about to me.Face to face with a crowd earning money the way of the road.If I ever get this asthma under control I will be back out there doing it full throttle.(without the drugs/alcohol/smokes and wild women of course)

Im a live performer(if anything at all musical)...I guess thats why Recording is such a CHORE to me.

You're right about people not paying to hear crap.You cant hide behind a multitude of layered tracks/effects and plugins on the live stage.You gotta be on or they will get your a** off.

I welcome the downfall of the organized Record Industry as we know it today.It's set-up so that ONLY the people that THEY choose to get exposure and Support do.

It used to be that the record companies went out and found the talent that the PEOPLE wanted....acts that were creating regional stirs....Creating a Regional following used to be a major factor in making it in the music biz....now they have ready made starz in a can that they create in a studio and their first introduction to the public is through a Video on MTV or CMT.Thats force feeding the public.......people dont realise it but the FANS are getting shortchanged in this process by not be allowed to have a choice in who THEY want to listen to.....great bands are sitting all over the place in small regions of the country(and world) and we are ALL gonna be deprived of ever hearing them because of the way the industry is set up....ok,I'll shut up..............for now.

OK,hi-jacking of sams thread is still in progress!
 
I suppose there are quite a few people doing this...but not sure really.. But I am thinking that a self produced setup that sells 15,000 CD's a year, and making a couple of bucks per CD is what I was looking to see what might be possible over the internet. But no....that's not going to happen.

I knew this one guy (kinda indirectly really), who records the mood music stuff. And his CD's are ONLY available at book stores, the gift shops, and places like that. However, his stuff is in A LOT of those places, and he has like 11 CD's of what I would call HIGH QUALITY stuff. He has been VERY successful with this route, never played a gig, and only has people on his staff (that he now can afford) to travel to trade shows to find new places to hawk his music. When you do it all yourself, from owning the studio, being the musician and shipping them yourself, making a couple of bucks per CD is NOT unrealistic, but quite the norm. So..selling 3-400,000 in a lifetime would be a great success...financially, I am speaking. Even making $3/CD and selling 20,000/yr isn't chump change.
 
Kramer...you've got a very valid point. However, I tend to think people like Sammie are able to use the studio as another instrument, and I like hearing stuff like that. Stuff that can't be done live necessarily. It is some of the [earlier] great groups like Yes, ELP, Rush, Pink Floyd and others who were able to pull off such "epic" stuff in a live situation that are the exceptions. But, I personally find no fault in something that can't be recreated live.

But Kramer...you other points are pretty much on the mark too. But it's the VanHalens and stuff, that are doing what you suggested. Not many of them. Of course...we're talking top of the heap here too. Many GREAT groups making decent money too, but you've never heard of them... playing corporate picnics, and silly stuff like that, hauling in a couple grand a gig.

But, I DON"T want to play out, tour, travel nowadays. I did when I was in my 20's-30's...and would want to do it again, should I return to that age . But now, I'd like to figure out the genius of our friend Samicide, record at home, and play with my dogs and sell CD's via the post office. Ah....the fun of dreams...
 
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