10,000 Dollars For Gear What Do I Get?

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Enchilada said:
NOT TRUE!!!! Intel is in no way more compatible witrh anything than AMD.

I would highly advise going AMD over intel. More CPU power for your $$$, easy to overclock if that's your thing. All the Athlon64 CPUs have on die memory controllers and they run MUCH cooler. I would never use passive cooling on an intel system, but easily would on an AMD. Passive cooling = less noise.

While youre there you might as well buy a passively cooled power supply and video cooler. With RAM, the more the merrier but my advice hard drive wise, get a Western Digital Raptor 36Gb 10,000 RPM SATA to run your OS off and get 2 Seagate 500Gb SATA II w/16MB cache drives and run the in RAID1 (also called "mirroring"). Raid1 Writes the same data to 2 disks so that if one fails, you have a backup.

You need to check over at the UAD forum. Numerous people have had problems with AMD chipsets and the UAD1. Also check the Gearslutz.com site, same thing there. There is a known issue with certain AMD chipsets and the UAD1. Intel based chipsets have fewer problems. Do a search on Error21.
 
That full compass computer looks really nice. Actually I was thinking the other day about a rubber shock absorber system to put under the PC to keep the drums from shaking it around too much. That quality definately looks to be what I am after. I am getting a 10,000 rpm raptor for OS and programs that was already suggested and if I do a self build definately.

Middleman thanks for giving me a heads up about the Error 21 I will definately look into that.

Well I am definately going to end up checking with the computer build guy that I can get ahold of and see what he can do as far as getting something similar to the full compass components and cooling etc. plus the memory and lots of harddrive space possible.

I will have to research room treatment, so you guys can leave that topic alone. I'll end up figuring out something simple and effective in that area.

Thanks for all the advice I really appreciate it, the angry comments are pretty funny you guys. :D
 
The thing about room treatment is that you have to know what your doing for it to work. There's a lot of bogus info out there, so be careful. What we are trying to advise is "something simple and effective".
 
Middleman said:
You need to check over at the UAD forum. Numerous people have had problems with AMD chipsets and the UAD1. Also check the Gearslutz.com site, same thing there. There is a known issue with certain AMD chipsets and the UAD1. Intel based chipsets have fewer problems. Do a search on Error21.

Dude, learn you stuff properly before giving advice. That's an issue with the AMD CHIPSET, not the AMD CPU (ie. a motherboard issue).
Who uses the 8131 chipsaet anyway? Get an nForce4, that's where the power's at. There are 100's of different AMD motherboards and more intel boards and I'm sure if you research enough, you'll be able to find compatibility issues with most of them.

For people that don't know, The AMD-8131 chipset (used on server motherboards) has a bus parking issue with some PCI express dsp cards when using more than one.

So if you decide for some reason to get an AMD 8131 chipset and plan on getting a UAD-1, just get 1 or get a PCI expansion card.
 
Enchilada said:
Dude, learn you stuff properly before giving advice. That's an issue with the AMD CHIPSET, not the AMD CPU (ie. a motherboard issue).
Who uses the 8131 chipsaet anyway? Get an nForce4, that's where the power's at. There are 100's of different AMD motherboards and more intel boards and I'm sure if you research enough, you'll be able to find compatibility issues with most of them.

For people that don't know, The AMD-8131 chipset (used on server motherboards) has a bus parking issue with some PCI express dsp cards when using more than one.

So if you decide for some reason to get an AMD 8131 chipset and plan on getting a UAD-1, just get 1 or get a PCI expansion card.

Dude, you must be a surfer. I know my stuff quite well thank you and this doesn't just apply to the 8131 chipset, there are even a few Intel based boards having the problem. The point is, you need to do your homework when pairing the UAD to a Motherboard.
 
Concerning the UAD-1

i did a search on that, there seemed to be a few issues, but actually most of them where with a G5? Anyway, I know I have to really make sure the motherboard configures correctly. I just found out that UAD-1 was DSP and I'm not sure what that means.

I'm looking at a review of this to see how it fits into the MOBO

1820M

That's the breakout box, called "the Dock" you see in the pic. It's connected by a special kind of Cat 5 cable (called an EDI connector) to a PCI card that you put in the computer.

Ok this would be 2 pci cards, plus a dsp card, Also I want firewire and usb in the front the more the better.
There are really cheap multiple firewire and usb connectors right? I need
2 firewire, 4 usb in the front about.

This is what someone suggested for motherboard, graphics card, and case.
I think it was by a gamer, really I'm looking for DVD quality video thats enough.

Motherboard:
Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe--$225
DFI Lanparty UT nF4 SLI-DR--$178
The first one is an exceptionally good motherboard with 16x SLI, which gives incredibly performance in everything, but it has a strange layout and runs hot. The second board is a Lanparty board. I know you won't be going to lanparties, but it is a rock solid board, DFI is very good quality.

Graphics Card:
XFX Geforce 7900GT
Get them in SLI (two cards) and you have a great setup.

Case:
Thermaltake Armour Series--$150


OS:
Microsoft Windows Media Center 2005--$115

Also had a suggestion about microsoft media center instead of xp?
Does anyone use that?
 
Jesuslovesyou said:
I just found out that UAD-1 was DSP and I'm not sure what that means.

I'm looking at a review of this to see how it fits into the MOBO

I believe that DSP stands for "Digital Signal Processing", however the UAD-I cards are actually PCI cards. The DSP is just telling you that it's a card which runs plugins using it's own hardware resources, rather than taxing the PC's CPU. By the way, I see that Universal Audio just today made an announcement that they are now manufacturing a PCIe version of the cards as well. Might be something to consider as it looks like PCIe might be starting to take the place of the older style PCI slots on many motherboards. So if you do like most of us, and upgrade your computer from time to time, you might be able to keep your UAD card around longer that way.
 
Middleman said:
Dude, you must be a surfer. I know my stuff quite well thank you and this doesn't just apply to the 8131 chipset, there are even a few Intel based boards having the problem. The point is, you need to do your homework when pairing the UAD to a Motherboard.
Surfer, No.
IT professional, Yes.
My point exactly, compatibility issues can happen with ANY board but there are NO COMPATIBILITY ISSUES WITH CPU ITSELF!!

Middleman said:
there are even a few Intel based boards having the problem
Well then by your logic this is an intel compatibility issue so obviously he should just give up on PC and go mac. Mayb see if he can run a sparc CPU or a transmetta?
AMD is the way to go because they run cooler, faster and are cheaper than their intel counterparts. This UAD thing is irrelevant because as you say, it can happen on either AMD or INTEL. You can't narrow it down any further so we'll just say it can happen to any board. The AMD issue IS with the 81XX chipset and any chipset that doesn't have native PCI express. And board that uses the 81xx pro pci express may have this problem but it can be easily overcome.
 
Enchilada said:
Surfer, No.
IT professional, Yes.
My point exactly, compatibility issues can happen with ANY board but there are NO COMPATIBILITY ISSUES WITH CPU ITSELF!!


Well then by your logic this is an intel compatibility issue so obviously he should just give up on PC and go mac. Mayb see if he can run a sparc CPU or a transmetta?
AMD is the way to go because they run cooler, faster and are cheaper than their intel counterparts. This UAD thing is irrelevant because as you say, it can happen on either AMD or INTEL. You can't narrow it down any further so we'll just say it can happen to any board. The AMD issue IS with the 81XX chipset and any chipset that doesn't have native PCI express. And board that uses the 81xx pro pci express may have this problem but it can be easily overcome.

Great advice; use a Mac. :rolleyes:

Personally I would never have another AMD in my studio, they have shown to have numerous compatability issues which is why all 3 of my current boxes are Intel. I have one that is over 4 years old, never a problem.

To each his own.
 
Middleman said:
Great advice; use a Mac. :rolleyes:

Personally I would never have another AMD in my studio, they have shown to have numerous compatability issues which is why all 3 of my current boxes are Intel. I have one that is over 4 years old, never a problem.

To each his own.
That's a better post :) +ve rep points given.
These forums are all about sharing your experiences with others to help them make informed descisions. I've been running AMD systems for around 5 years now. Had 4-5 different systems and never a hic on any. I wouldn't recommend an using one of the old Athlons for a DAW though unless you had a barton core.

You're exaclty right though, each to their own. As long as it's not a mac! ;)
 
Jesuslovesyou said:
Now im coming into 10 grand to get a whole new DAW setup and I'm just asking comments and suggestions on it.

The computer will be an AMD 4800+, 4 gigs ram, 1 tb memory = 3,000 self build.

Windows XP can only see 4Gb of total memory... that includes page files etc, so although you willhave 4 gigs physically installed, the operating system will probably only use use abotu 3.2Gb.... soo that would be a bit of a waste.


You could probably do without the Tb of hard disk space.. theres no real need for it.. just make back ups of everything to a separate hard drive, or DVD...

You could be saving a lot of money on the computer end of things...
 
For 10k you get to use my equipment as well as my labor for 220 hours or so:D
 
Ten grand on stuff that goes obsolete?

Four grand can get you a project studio, good enough to actually make a CD that you can sell or a label will pick up. Ummm, this assumes that you are REALLY good at what you do.

The Other 6 grand could be used for an album cover, printing cds, SCHOOL, invested, lessons, bribing radio people with payola, you name it.

If you cant make a killer CD with 4-5 grand you cant do it with ten.
 
How much does the talent and experience cost?

DavidK said:
Ten grand on stuff that goes obsolete?

Four grand can get you a project studio, good enough to actually make a CD that you can sell or a label will pick up. Ummm, this assumes that you are REALLY good at what you do.

The Other 6 grand could be used for an album cover, printing cds, SCHOOL, invested, lessons, bribing radio people with payola, you name it.

If you cant make a killer CD with 4-5 grand you cant do it with ten.
 
fraserhutch said:
How much does the talent and experience cost?

See my previous post.... $10,000 for about 220 hours of my talent and experience:D (thats about $45 an hour).
 
xstatic said:
See my previous post.... $10,000 for about 220 hours of my talent and experience:D (thats about $45 an hour).
There ya go! Great deal.
 
Jesuslovesyou said:
ok basstraps and diffusors, i haven't studied the physics of soundtrapping very much at all, so you can fill me in on some info you got. I mean a lot of my music will be done on the computer meaning, im going to get a lot of midi controllers etc, so there is going to be electronic sheen on things and that warm acoustic guitar tone won't be high on the list of needs for me right away. Keeping noise and bad room sounds out of mics will be important, but thats going to be second on the budget. What do you suggest specifically, do you want room dimensions and instrument setups?
First of all, the sm-57 is a standard mic in every studio in the world, and is not garbage. It's useful for almost everything. For mics, I recommend CAD, I've had great luck with them, and A/B'd them against a lot of higher end mics with some studio cat friends of mine who finally had to agree, they're great. The Behringer SL2442FX pro board is real good, I use one live and I'm going to check it out for the hell of it, in my studio. I use Aardvark soundcards, but I'm probably going back to M-audio, I had one originally, and they sound pretty incredible. Still, the Aark 24 and some of their other stuff is pretty cheap now, since they VANISHED without a word.... grrrr, but updating drivers will be an eventual problem.
I agree about room treatment, you have to realize that most things that you record, for instance drums, acoustic guitar, vocals, you are also recording the room. The same is true for listening back. Get a good set of self-powered nearfield monitors, I use the Tannoy Reveal Actives, and they sound great, I checked them against a lot of other brands too, and in fact a studio friend of mine checked mine out and just ordered a pair. Originally $1400 a pair, you can get them for somewhere around $600 now. Great deal. Don't even bother thinking about using PA speakers to monitor with. Any midi keyboard will be great for triggering samples, etc. I use Sonar 4 producer edition, and it's great. I have a friend who has Sonar 5 Producer, and I've seen some videos of what it can do, and it's leading the pack right now, 64 bit! I use Vegas Video too, you'll probably like it. Get Sound Forge too, it's the one of the best programs out there, and with the plugs, it's amazing. Go for it. A lot of people are using Nuendo too, in pro studios. Get yourself a good comfortable squeek-free studio chair, you'll be glad. If you need some isolation under your audio monitors and the surface, try mouse pads, they worked fine for my Tannoys and were exactly the right size. Save some of your money for a decent mic preamp, that's pretty consistantly the main thing most top producers and engineers insist they can't live without. You can get some quite decent ones for a few hundred dollars, and it's a great investment, for vocals, bass, etc. The RNC is good, check it out. You should have a stereo compressor and a patch bay too, investigate it. Don't forget you're gonna need patch cables, speaker cables, etc, and maybe a short snake, depending on how you're going to work. That can add up to some money, don't get crappy cables or you've just wasted all the money you spent on good stuff. A couple of direct boxes, Behringer puts out some great stuff of this type for almost free, ha ha. Their gear has gotten a lot better than people would have you believe. I use their Powerplay Pro XL headphone amp, and it rocks. Also, their Autocom MDX 1000 compressor, an older unit, is real good, I got it because a studio friend told me they were in demand a lot. $75 used.
You'll want a comfortable desk.. I built mine, based on several designs by pro companies, it was a bit of work, but it looks great and is Frikkin HUGE. I have dual vid monitors, which is great for separating tracks and different views, you should think of that, makes working a lot nicer. You should probably get some flat panels, I'm stuck with CRTs, the blast out heat, and cause some hum (but not with the Tannoys! which are built to withstand that) from my guitars. I tilted the vid monitors back and lowered them down because the recommended eye level was causing a lot of neck strain.
It wouldn't hurt to consider having a small recorder of some sort (check edirol) to go out and sample things that you might want to use in recordings. You should put aside some money for drum libraries on disc, and maybe a drum machine, though soft synths do great for this too. Hope all this helps. ScreamingPirhana.....OUT.
What about a separate computer for internet. I'd keep my audio PC offline as much as possible.
 
If I had that money to spend solely on a project studio I seriously wouldn't bat an eyelid at spending half of it on acoustic treatment and monitoring.

Once you've spent some time recording and mixing in a crappy room through cheap monitors you'll understand. Take it from someone who learnt the hard way. :o

The thought of a really great sounding room does a lot more for me these days than any number of snazzy mics, pres and compressors.
 
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