Hello my name is Tangi and I'm a student at LA Film school

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I am a student at LA Film school and I'm trying to start producing my own music very soon.
After I get over my fears and doubts (not many left) I will take off like you can't believe.
I play guitar and I love to sing so hopefully I can help people like music has always helped me
 

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We've had quite a few from LAFS, but they rarely tell us about what they are learning, equipment they are using, or let us hear any of their work.

If you can, how about posting a sample of some of your projects at school!
 
I am just now getting started on my way down the journey.
I am literally doing a paper due today for my very first class and it's over. Week 4 done.
I am worried a little about my grade to be passing or not because my Internet wasn't up to par the first three weeks.
I have been trying to start something for myself though for about two years and I'm just now getting serious. I figured if I chased the dream I will get it. Because the only thing that would stop me is if I gave up. I don't give up easily so imma be a great artist.
I will definitely throw up any projects for school that I am trying to find out how well I did and thoughts for improving
I play guitar and I am not afraid of any instruments except the drums intimates me
But so do DAW systems.. that's why I am going to school for it
I can't read music and I am not to great at knowing the name of the sounds I play but I can learn dang near anything by ear. I'm sure that's weird but it is where I am at momentarily.
 
I can't read music and I am not to great at knowing the name of the sounds I play but I can learn dang near anything by ear. I'm sure that's weird but it is where I am at momentarily.

I think eventually understanding keys is important, but not at first. I would say, for the lone creator/producer, understanding frequencies, and how each instrument/sound works together and overlap. You get that right and you will start really having some good mixes and it will also help you produce and create.
 
Film school seems a strange way to get into DAWs, but if your need is music for moving images, then reading music, indeed being able to play is less important than if you want to record 'songs'.

There are so many excellent VSTis now that can create mood, excitement and tension that you don't even need to know chords. Those evolving and morphing sounds that just sound amazing. When I was younger, with a Yamaha synth (an SY22, I think - around 1994-5ish) I got my first paid music job for a video job. Ironically, I can read music and had real music lessons, then learned modern instruments, but this job was me, pressing C at the top of the video, then tweaking knobs, pushing wheels and waggling levers. One note - lasted three minutes. Took about ten attempts and that was it, job done.

The only thing I do know from my time at college as a teacher (16-22 ages typically) was that people who signed up to a programme, just to use the kit fared badly - too much requirement to work with others and never enough studio time.
 
I think eventually understanding keys is important, but not at first. I would say, for the lone creator/producer, understanding frequencies, and how each instrument/sound works together and overlap. You get that right and you will start really having some good mixes and it will also help you produce and create.
I'm picking up the keys and names of them pretty quickly from a friend of my father that plays as well. Tbh I've only been playing the guitar for three years, learned somethings from other people but most everything came from my ears.
Everyone that knows more than me on guitar says that the speed at witch I've gotten better is higher than most and I'm having so much fun doing it.
Film school seems a strange way to get into DAWs, but if your need is music for moving images, then reading music, indeed being able to play is less important than if you want to record 'songs'.

There are so many excellent VSTis now that can create mood, excitement and tension that you don't even need to know chords. Those evolving and morphing sounds that just sound amazing. When I was younger, with a Yamaha synth (an SY22, I think - around 1994-5ish) I got my first paid music job for a video job. Ironically, I can read music and had real music lessons, then learned modern instruments, but this job was me, pressing C at the top of the video, then tweaking knobs, pushing wheels and waggling levers. One note - lasted three minutes. Took about ten attempts and that was it, job done.

The only thing I do know from my time at college as a teacher (16-22 ages typically) was that people who signed up to a programme, just to use the kit fared badly - too much requirement to work with others and never enough studio time.
I was worried about a lot of stuff in the area of, if I go to school will I be spending time I could just be marketing me and my sound.
But I've gotten a couple of daws and I can't even begin to know where to hook them up, what goes to what, or how to save an idea to put into it later.
The major I'm going for is the science of music production and I am going to be taught how to read music, walked through how to use daws, musical theory, and so much more like song dynamics and structure or popular topics in the trade.
They will also help me find a job in this field at the end of it all if need be but I'm sure I'll be taking off right about the same time.
Tbh IDK what I would do at someone's studio because I am so stage frighten in front of everyone that IDK if I could do it.
 
This worries me. As an ex-educator. There is a thing called recruitment with integrity, and ill try to explain how things work.
Everyone learns better if it is done in a way that works best for them. In education, after about the age 16, the old school system of doing it every way so everyone at least has some learning in their style, reduces. Mainly its about progression speed and time/ cost. I am in the UK but the American system is similar. They do not teach you, they offer you the opportunity to teach yourself. On a typical course of study, you will have equipment and facilities to enable you to learn. I will be honest here. Not meant as a criticism, but its important. My question is what daw to you have on your own computer? How skilled are you with it? What kind of music have you created and recorded? Some things you said make me think you are expecting them to teach you how to save a daw file. That is scary. Most of the people on the course will already be making music using technology. You will NOT be taught to read music, you might, at best, be taught to follow it in a score, but learning to read music is hours of study. They cannot do that in any way other than identifying a few notes on a stave. Expecting more is a bit pointless. You MUST be computer literate or you will sink against all the others who are already ahead of you. This course will not help you find a job when you are starting so far behind. Personality and courage are key features. If you are not comfortable with creatives, then you will be pushed to the back. Remember studio time is shared. You also need other students. If you have an idea that needs real people to play, then its a share thing. If you want a guitarist for a couple of hours, what can you offer in return? Everyone needs a skill others dont have. You play guitar and sing? But do you struggle doing it in front of people?

Last question. What are you actually good at now? You're at film school, so what areas are you doing really well at? You said you are starting music soon? So you are not doing music at the moment. Presumably when you say you cant read music, you mean you can read chord names, know what they are, how they are linked, and the common differences? Maybe you can read tab? You want to read melody lines? Or piano music, or full score? Im not sure that if you want to market your own music, it will be a good course? Film school suggests moving images that need sound, and that’s not a recording course.

Are you certain you have signed up for what you actually want? All your comments seem to contradict, and i just dont understand why, if you play guitar and sing, you dont have a DAW on your computer, an interface and couple of mics and are already recording? Most musicians learn by touching, listening, fiddling and experimenting. Its called kinaesthetic learning. Very few artistic or creative people learn by reading, or being actually taught hands on. Their brains run ahead, and need immediate results, not waiting while a teacher goes through everything step by step. Some people cannot perform to others, that is quite common. Some can learn to do it, others thrive on it. It isn't a big issue, to be fair, it just means you create alone best. That is quite difficult in a college where thee are always people around you who want to do things for you.

Not being put off is vital. Download a free DAW. Experiment with it. Get comfy with it. Explore its limitations. On your own. Now.
 
"But I've gotten a couple of daws and I can't even begin to know where to hook them up, what goes to what, or how to save an idea to put into it later."

Hi Tangi, that ^ happens quite a lot. Happened to me and my son about 15 years ago and I am an electronics tech! (rtrd)

You MUST* get an "Audio Interface" . This box will connect to your computer/laptop via USB (2 or 3 no matter) and will allow you to record from a microphone(s) or say plug in an electric guitar. There are scores of makes and types of AI so I am going to suggest just 4 in MY order of preference.

1) MOTU M4 (or the cheaper but less well equipped M2)
2) Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6
3 Focusrite 2i2 or better.
4 (but only if you are REALLY hard up!) Behringer UMC204HD. Again there are models with more ins and outs.

The first two I own and have considerable experience with. Focusrite I include because they do have a very good name in the recording world.

The DAW.

I am going to recommend two.
First off "Audacity" Why? Well it is readily available and totally free forever and is just about as simple to learn as DAWs get. BUT! As others have said, all DAWs have a learning curve. Also just about anyone who has dabbled at all with sound recording knows the basics of setting things up in Audacity. I.E. lots of help out there.

Much the same goes for my next reccy...Cockos Reaper. Not free but free for as long as you can stand the nag that comes after a time. It is still only about $60 US anyway. Again, more people know and use Reaper than probably all the other DAWs put together. Certainly in the "home/project" studio world.

*There are other ways to get sounds in and out of a PC but they are really dead ends and not very versatile...e.g. USB mics. Fine for podding but a PITA for getting round a guitar!

Keep asking. We will keep helping.


Dave.
 
After I get over my fears and doubts (not many left) I
After you get over them? Fears and Doubts should not play role in playing music - you don’t just wake up one day and it’s time to start.
 
Gotta say sadly I think this is a bot...read through the stuff ... This is what I'm a thinkin. not sure what the benefit to the bot is but as Talisman said in the first response...we've been getting a lot of visitor from LA film school... They come for one day and are done...

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sophisticated bots or paid human spammers (click farms) engaged in a long-term scheme. Their specific focus on "LA Film School" students is likely intended to add a layer of perceived legitimacy and niche relevance to your BBS community, likely as a precursor to some form of future exploitation.
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I don't think it's that big of a problem. SoTangi hasn't been active since October of 2024.

From what a few of the "LA Film School" people have said, they are encouraged to check out online forums in their respective area of study. So you've got a 20 yr old who is told to join a forum as part of their class. There's no incentive to participate, especially since they may have no experience. They usually pop on around the first of September and the first of January when semesters start. If they do 2 posts, that's a lot. I don't see how a bot is going to do much damage by posting "Hi, I'm BuffyBabe, a student at LAFS, and I'm going to be a hip hop music producer".
 
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