Editing Transitions

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There's always a blip between clips when my editor tries to splice. So he uses a dissolve transition, instead. Its fine. But I'd like a vid that has frequent, seamless transitions like in the following vid. Here's the link... it's not my band:




And here's MY band's video, using the dissolve:


QUESTION. Why can't he do transitions smoothly?
 
What software are you using? I've used Cyberlink Powerdirector and I can crossfade, have a simple cut, fade to a color board and back in. There's no problem.
 
Its not my software. It's his. And I think its Filmora. That may be the problem. He's not a pro. For $100 for Cyberlink Powerdirector you'd think that would be a good solution. I'm even less of a pro. eg) I dont even know what... "crossfade, have a simple cut, fade to a color board" means, without guessing lol. No problem. That's what HE should know.
 
Watching on a phone so didn’t zoom in… Was the audio created during the different video takes so it’s a clean splice, itself? If so, in Final Cut I’d just stack the video clips over the audio and get them lined up, and slice the videos where they transition. If that doesn’t work, you can stick some stills in there and do like a pretend jump cut. (Hoping someone was taking still shots during taping.)

Next time, set up more cameras so you have different angles to switch between and you can cover up the audio splicing a lot easier (IMO).
 
I don't know about the software being used for that, but I can do a split edit in Vegas Pro, with the audio and video transitions being different. I'd probably do shorter crossfades than what I see there.
 
Audio was taken with Zoom H5. Separately. Then we lip-synched to the backing track for the video. After aud and vid were done, separately, they were synch'd perfectly, 1 song at a time. Then I figured time stamps for ea song which pulled the best samples. Eventually I put all the samples together (2 per song) to create what you see in the vid, above. I guess I did it wrong for splicing purposes. No photos were taken. I usually extract photos from the final video.
 
I aggree with keith. Just the same camera shot, different music, is a bit boring.
Hey, the music's fine, nice drummer.
I managed clean splices with the video editing softwrare I last used. Lost the license now, and have yet to try Davinci Resolve (free).
You can spice it up with more cameras, different angles, close-ups, a wandering camera man, camera on a flying pole.
Your current transitions are naff.
It is worth spending money, as the band is good.
 
Dont blame the editor when provided with poor material to edit. The absolute worst thing is joining two identical shots. A cut jumps, a mix i think is worse. If you have no choice, then do the cut or transition to a zoomed and panned image and slowly pull back out. The singer is also really far back in the mix and the drummer the focus? It doesn't sound like it looks. Nowadays you can buy gopro look alikes for big mac meal money and dot them around on mic stands and the. You can do stuff like in the first video. You can buy little hand held stabilisers too, and for very little outlay give the editor masses of media to cut up.

Look at this video, you can see all the camera people, which makes the process clear.
Dont blame the editor or the software, with one shot you are stuffed. You could have recorded each song three times. Once from the tripod, and twice from hand held then he would have had a chance.
 
pmarc said:
Its not my software. It's his. And I think its Filmora. That may be the problem. He's not a pro. For $100 for Cyberlink Powerdirector you'd think that would be a good solution. I'm even less of a pro. eg) I dont even know what... "crossfade, have a simple cut, fade to a color board" means, without guessing lol. No problem. That's what HE should know.
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Im using an old version of PowerDirector. I actually wouldn't go that way today, I would go with the free version of DaVinci Resolve. But the real issue has already been pointed out. Different shots, angles, edited together will made the video work.
 
I know its unexciting. I'll go to the next level with the next one. And use the wandering camera in addition to perhaps two fixed cameras.
 
I'm beginning to get it. In fact, the best thing I'm getting is that I can re-shoot the video portion of this last video. In fact, up til now I actually thought I had made a bad choice on the songs. Out of 6 samples on three songs, I found only one sample had energy. So I put it at the beginning. But my guess is this audio issue is all in my mind. It's the video not the audio that's at fault. Do you guys agree? And I like Rob's idea (I hope I'm interpreting correctly) about increasing the number of takes in order to make up for the dearth of cameras and angles. And the beauty is we already have one angle. It's from the current shoot. I need to shoot again, adding a wandering camera and perhaps one or two fixed cameras from different angles.
 
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Continuity is important - so getting them to the same location, in the same clothes in the same positions is very hard.
I found you this old video. We had a phone, and some of those gopro style cheap cameras and edited them together. 4 sessions I think from memory. We didn't intend editing them together, and the sound is off the phone so rather horrible - but you can see the continuity errors - clothes changing and even day and night.
 
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Continuity is important - so getting them to the same location, in the same clothes in the same positions is very hard.
I found you this old video. We had a phone, and some of those gopro style cheap cameras and edited them together. 4 sessions I think from memory. We didn't intend editing them together, and the sound is off the phone so rather horrible - but you can see the continuity errors - clothes changing and even day and night.
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Well then I can omit any current clips. Btw Rob, that first vid you posted above... gotta be 3 wandering cameras. And it works pretty good despite being a very messy studio. Looks more like a a music store. LOL. Again, it works pretty well.
 
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I think my first video is a great prototype because it indicates the required improvements. And one is that I'd re-orient the piano and bassist. To have a moderate semi-circle effect. Because the current setup, everyone staring directly at the camera, looks per-conceived and unnatural. Btw how does everyone think about panning?
 
Rob, what did you mean by..."The singer is also really far back in the mix and the drummer the focus?"
 
I listened first on a pad, and thought it sounded like a live recording from the camera. I later went and listened properly and realised it wasn’t a camera recording. The vocal sounds like she is at the back of the band, while the drums seem very forward, like you often get with a camera mic. Oddly, it does sort of sound like they are NOT singing to a track, but its real? Without the visuals, its a bit different? Not bad at all, but sort of mixed to recreate a live sound?
 
pmarc, check your private mail here. I did an edit using various transitions rather than the crossfades that are in your original, just to give you some other ideas. The problem with just having quick cuts between songs is that there's no continuity (as Rob was pointing out). You're actually changing scenes, and a transition will tell the view that this is a different section.
 
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pmarc, check your private mail here. I did an edit using various transitions rather than the crossfades that are in your original, just to give you some other ideas. The problem with just having quick cuts between songs is that there's no continuity (as Rob was pointing out). You're actually changing scenes, and a transition will tell the view that this is a different section.
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Talisman, a couple of your transitions are pretty. I'm done viewing, thanx.
 
Can you tell me the time stamps where the video doesn't match the audio? FYI all we did was lipsynch against the raw, unedited audio. The editor sent me the initial audio / video synch'd file. THEN I specified the samples for each song. And then we ordered those samples. No fancy editing or audio manipulation was done. I wouldn't know how if I had to.
 
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This really simple video was shot in the equipment store - filled with haze and he's lip-syncing and finger syncing (is that a real word) - just singing along with the playback, but he's pretty rehearsed.
 
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