leddy
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#Things to figure out prior to sticking your d**k in. That’s just how life works. You can be the one who might have to pay money or the one who might have to choose between having a baby or an abortion.
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Mick Doobie
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lol @ that's just how life works
Seriously? Entire statement is a display of little to no insight. Sorry.
Mick Doobie
Resist We Much
Oh what the hell, I'll just say it. That's some dumb shit, fucked up rationalization. That's what happens when you adopt "liberal" thinking and mindset, which isn't mindful at all.
You voluntarily take the dick, through passion, or because you are a whore who doesn't respect yourself, because that's what whores do,....your body your choice...you might get pregnant. That's how life works. If you want to carry on the simpleminded dumbassery post pregnancy, I reckon you can exercise the choice to abort or carry to term. Either way, marrying to the concept of my body my choice for women while requiring men through bodily labor to provide for the autonomous choices you have made is at best inconsistent and hypocritical.....
At worst, patriarchy.
Patriarchy bad, mmkay. Especially for strong independent women entirely capable of making rational choice judgements, or whatever. Because that's what it is, a whatever to hold both those opinions at the same time. It can't be rationally defended, because it's dumb.
You voluntarily take the dick, through passion, or because you are a whore who doesn't respect yourself, because that's what whores do,....your body your choice...you might get pregnant. That's how life works. If you want to carry on the simpleminded dumbassery post pregnancy, I reckon you can exercise the choice to abort or carry to term. Either way, marrying to the concept of my body my choice for women while requiring men through bodily labor to provide for the autonomous choices you have made is at best inconsistent and hypocritical.....
At worst, patriarchy.
Patriarchy bad, mmkay. Especially for strong independent women entirely capable of making rational choice judgements, or whatever. Because that's what it is, a whatever to hold both those opinions at the same time. It can't be rationally defended, because it's dumb.
There's no such thing as "extremism". There is only law abiding God fearing Constitutional citizenry... and everyone else.
Extremism in the name of freedom is no vice.
Law that does not apply universally is just tyranny.
What I find interesting is most people tend to agree on a moral level; The definitions of right and wrong are universally accepted. However, people drastically differ where law enforcement and criminal consequences are concerned. Some people like a nice wide and convoluted grey area to justify their excuses. Others prefer absolute individual and lawful accountability to keep everyone in line.
Then there's all the dimwits in the grey who can't do 6th grade math...
Extremism in the name of freedom is no vice.
Law that does not apply universally is just tyranny.
What I find interesting is most people tend to agree on a moral level; The definitions of right and wrong are universally accepted. However, people drastically differ where law enforcement and criminal consequences are concerned. Some people like a nice wide and convoluted grey area to justify their excuses. Others prefer absolute individual and lawful accountability to keep everyone in line.
Then there's all the dimwits in the grey who can't do 6th grade math...
leddy
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Tell you what. I’ll agree with you under the circumstance that the potential father discloses his intent to not pay child support prior to the sex. If the woman goes in knowingly, then fine. Put it on your ID like an organ donor status. It’s an advanced directive. If it’s full disclosure, I have no issue.Oh what the hell, I'll just say it. That's some dumb shit, fucked up rationalization. That's what happens when you adopt "liberal" thinking and mindset, which isn't mindful at all.
You voluntarily take the dick, through passion, or because you are a whore who doesn't respect yourself, because that's what whores do,....your body your choice...you might get pregnant. That's how life works. If you want to carry on the simpleminded dumbassery post pregnancy, I reckon you can exercise the choice to abort or carry to term. Either way, marrying to the concept of my body my choice for women while requiring men through bodily labor to provide for the autonomous choices you have made is at best inconsistent and hypocritical.....
At worst, patriarchy.
Patriarchy bad, mmkay. Especially for strong independent women entirely capable of making rational choice judgements, or whatever. Because that's what it is, a whatever to hold both those opinions at the same time. It can't be rationally defended, because it's dumb.
Otherwise, I see the situation as: when two people fuck there is a non-zero chance of making a baby. They BOTH go in knowing that. The woman is the only one who has no choice to be the one to physically deal with it, so the implied contract involves the dad financially.
Patriarchy, where dominance and privilege are held by men, would be exactly what you are advocating where you could have the fun of sex and then leave her to deal with an abortion or pregnancy both physically and financially while you go on your merry way. That’s “dumb, no insight, fucked up” etc whatever bullshit you were spewing.
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It occurs to me that socialism caters to the lowest common denominator of society...
Then, expects everyone but the "ruling class" to live by that diminished standard; Unless, of course, the ruling class can also use that standard as their excuse for impropriety...
Then, expects everyone but the "ruling class" to live by that diminished standard; Unless, of course, the ruling class can also use that standard as their excuse for impropriety...
dogooder
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got me there, I love Trumpliar
Mick Doobie
Resist We Much
lol@ dominance and privilege. Wiki much?
You know what you're proposing would not work, I would think. It would assume a mutual agreement, a social contract. A contract a man and a woman must enter and agree to honor. It would void and eliminate the right to choose. "Pro choice" would never agree to that. You fail to recognize the likes to which you align yourself.
Also, "for the children".
What could be more indicative of power and privilege than to require a disclosure of intent from one person in a relationship, no matter how brief, while the other has the privilege to decide on a whim. I'm not advocating for anything, merely shining light on inconsistencies, the power and privilege held by worshipers at the alter of pro choice. Either we all have a right to choose, or we don't?
leddy
Well-known member
If you know that, then you did too. What a fucking pompous clown you are. I just wanted to be certain I understood the precise definition. Is that a problem? Had a nice civil discussion until you came along. Nevermind the rest. Blah blah blah.
Mick Doobie
Resist We Much
It was predictable. The modern current of negativity in terms, social & societal relationships. Wiki are comply, you will follow, apparently.
Is it civil to resort to name calling, is that my fault as well?
I'm trying with reasonable success to steer clear of some of these inconsistent and dumb arguments. "That's how life works" while ignoring the proverbial elephant in the room, I couldn't help myself. It was right there, too obvious, you should have seen it coming.
leddy
Well-known member
You began the hostility with your “dumb shit fuckery” comments. Condescending as hell. You expect someone to just absorb that?
Mick Doobie
Resist We Much
Well I am absolutely apologetic. Surveying the lay of the land and temperament of the waters before jumping in, "sticking you d**k in" stood out. Would it have been more satisfactory if I had used *? Noted.
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I'm one of those that sees gray just about everywhere. Like with the spelling of "grey/gray", for instance.
I sometimes wish life was nice and tidy. But my experience has been that it's not, generally.
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Doctor doctor
check my mood
adjust my attitude
Pop that pretty pill
let me sleep till the next thrill
Teacher teacher
keep me in line
educate my empty mind
Don't ever let me pray
teach me to be gay
Lawyer lawyer
I’m innocent man
I’m heaven sent
But you have not said a word, no you haven’t spoke
cause’ you allready know I’m broke
Preacher preacher
for just ten percent
I could repent
But you’re living oh so well, lord I can tell
from way down here in hell
Doctor doctor
Teacher teacher
Lawyer lawyer
Preacher preacher
Black or white
Wrong or right
When the night turns into day
All I see is grey
Doctor doctor
check my mood
adjust my attitude
Pop that pretty pill
let me sleep till the next thrill
Teacher teacher
keep me in line
educate my empty mind
Don't ever let me pray
teach me to be gay
Lawyer lawyer
I’m innocent man
I’m heaven sent
But you have not said a word, no you haven’t spoke
cause’ you allready know I’m broke
Preacher preacher
for just ten percent
I could repent
But you’re living oh so well, lord I can tell
from way down here in hell
Doctor doctor
Teacher teacher
Lawyer lawyer
Preacher preacher
Black or white
Wrong or right
When the night turns into day
All I see is grey
Mick Doobie
Resist We Much
leddy said:
May I add something? The above, "making a baby". Is that what you mean to say? I mean, is it your position that abortion is the killing of a baby, or the elimination of a fetus from a woman's body, an unrecognizable clump of cells?
Rather than "dad" you meant to say fertilizing person as well?
I'm only looking for consistency. There seems to be a disconnect, when it comes to an obligation to pay child support we're making a baby, when it comes to a woman's "right" to abort we're making a fetus.
Mick Doobie
Resist We Much
Sorry, should have perhaps said b*by.
I'll try to do better.
I'll try to do better.
Mick Doobie
Resist We Much
lol @ hypnotize 
Okay, I'll stop, bow out. Don't wanna go ruining the civility of y'all's Math thread.
Okay, I'll stop, bow out. Don't wanna go ruining the civility of y'all's Math thread.
leddy
Well-known member
My position is irrelevant since I don’t have the equipment to carry a fetus or a baby. If anyone cares, as a husband who along with his wife dealt with many miscarriages, and who is now a proud father, I personally hate the idea of abortion. That doesn’t mean I have a right to tell someone else when life begins or whether or not they are compelled to carry to term. Play semantic gotchas if you like. My position is consistent. My opinion is that life begins around the time viability outside the uterus would be possible. If the law were up to me, I’d allow abortion up through the 2nd trimester for any reason, and after that on the advice of a doctor for the health and safety of the mother. But again, that’s irrelevant.
If the potential father doesn’t want financial responsibility, he simply needs to make that clear before sex and let the potential mother decide if he’s still a potential mate. Otherwise, it’s my opinion that there is a common understanding that men are taking the chance that they may impregnate a woman who wants to keep the baby and they will BOTH be on the hook financially while only she has to bear the child.
Mick Doobie
Resist We Much
are busy....