The New Tone Thread

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"DARK" Tone update.
I decided to do some experimentatal recording to test things today.
Before setting up mics etc I sat & thought for a bit...
I had a brain wave -
1. Record DI with an amp clone pedal (AC Tone - VERY bright).
2. Record DI with a Maximiser stomp box (I had one I'd bought 2nd hand & VERY cheap & not used,
3. Record DI with normal levels
4. Record DI with the Preamps at MAX.
Results:
1. Signal still disappears just beyond 5Khz even when I had the hi knob at FULL.
2. Despite the added top end from the enhancer the signal still disappears just beyond 5Khz
3. Still 5Khz
4. With the preamps cranked ALL the way the signal captured went a little beyond 10Khz but it was a fairly steep taper from before 5Khz but it was impossible to play anything decent at that level as it was almost perm IN THE RED.
NO speakers/cabs/mics in the chain.
Thoughts?
 
Ray, I would try recording something with a high frequency content above 5kHz, like some cymbals. I don't think your guitar will be putting out anything above that no matter what pedals you're putting it through.
 
Bubba po said:
Ray, I would try recording something with a high frequency content above 5kHz, like some cymbals. I don't think your guitar will be putting out anything above that no matter what pedals you're putting it through.
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Or try some softynths. Or a kazoo. Kazoos are fucking brutal in the high end.
 
My wife just made a critical tactical error.

She came into my room here just now to sit and have some coffee with me and she's looking at my amps and cabs. I've got two cabs in here. The third is in the garage. On top of these two cabs in here are three heads on one cab, two heads on the other.

So they are, in her words "Uneven. You need another head to even it out".

Well, okay then! :thumbs up: :D :drunk::listeningmusic:
 
rayc said:
"DARK" Tone update.
I decided to do some experimentatal recording to test things today.
Before setting up mics etc I sat & thought for a bit...
I had a brain wave -
1. Record DI with an amp clone pedal (AC Tone - VERY bright).
2. Record DI with a Maximiser stomp box (I had one I'd bought 2nd hand & VERY cheap & not used,
3. Record DI with normal levels
4. Record DI with the Preamps at MAX.
Results:
1. Signal still disappears just beyond 5Khz even when I had the hi knob at FULL.
2. Despite the added top end from the enhancer the signal still disappears just beyond 5Khz
3. Still 5Khz
4. With the preamps cranked ALL the way the signal captured went a little beyond 10Khz but it was a fairly steep taper from before 5Khz but it was impossible to play anything decent at that level as it was almost perm IN THE RED.
NO speakers/cabs/mics in the chain.
Thoughts?
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Ray, here are a couple pics of guitar tracks (SG) I recorded with my interface. One is the di (guitar straight into the inteface), the other re-amped through my DSL. This is one of the tones I posted a few days ago, it's the same performance, I just re-amped the di, like I always do....

SG DI:


SG DI > Radial RMP > DSL > Greenback > i5:


Doesn't look a lot different than your pics though, so I'm not sure this helps any dude...You might do like Greg suggested, record something with a lot of high end & see what happens...I'd like to find out what's going on with your interface myself dude, if nothing else, for the sake of just knowing for sure what's going on...:).
 
Greg_L said:
My wife just made a critical tactical error.

She came into my room here just now to sit and have some coffee with me and she's looking at my amps and cabs. I've got two cabs in here. The third is in the garage. On top of these two cabs in here are three heads on one cab, two heads on the other.

So they are, in her words "Uneven. You need another head to even it out".

Well, okay then! :thumbs up: :D :drunk::listeningmusic:
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Lol....does she realize you don't fuck around with gear unless it's pretty pricey dude????

Back when I was married, if the ex-wife ever said anything like that, I'd fell over from a heart attack....oh wait, that kinda already happened...or part of it anyway....

Fuck dude, get a Major, right off the top of my head, that's about the only Marshall you don't have, maybe a lowly DSL....:laughings:.
 
Lol. No to both of those.

There really are only two Marshalls left out there that I'd want....and they're both pricey.
One would be a late 70s JMP 2203. Like 1977, 78, 79. In that time period. I already have a 1979 JMP 2204, so a same-era 2203 would be awesome.

Or...

A 1973 JMP Super Lead. This one would be cool to me because it's post-Plexi, but still a non-master volume 1959 circuit, and it's the year I was born.

Besides the JVM I already have, I'm really not interested in anything Marshall did after 1984.
 
Greg_L said:
Lol. No to both of those.

There really are only two Marshalls left out there that I'd want....and they're both pricey.
One would be a late 70s JMP 2203. Like 1977, 78, 79. In that time period. I already have a 1979 JMP 2204, so a same-era 2203 would be awesome.

Or...

A 1973 JMP Super Lead. This one would be cool to me because it's post-Plexi, but still a non-master volume 1959 circuit, and it's the year I was born.

Besides the JVM I already have, I'm really not interested in anything Marshall did after 1984.
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The DSL suggestion was a joke dude, & again, the Major was the only amp I could think of right off you didn't have...

There's a guy over at the Marshall forum who has a Major, & it sounds great on his recordings, but IIRC, he had to do some serious work to get it running the way it's supposed to. I think he spent pretty big bucks on it when he bought it, not to mention the rest of the $$$ & time he put into that thing. Fuck that. Sure, it does sound good on his recordings, but to me it doesn't sound that much different than some of the clips posted here...

I know you're a Marshall-tone guy, but would you be interested in anything else, like an Orange or something??? Just wondering dude, as to me, you've already got the Marshall thing covered & then some...

I remember you mentioning a Fender amp once upon a time here too. What would be your pick if you were to buy a Fender amp Greg???
 
minerman said:
What would be your pick if you were to buy a Fender amp Greg???
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I know the question was to Greg, but I would love to own a Twin. So many of my favourite guitarists used one - Joe Strummer of the Clash, John McKay of Siouxsie and the Banshees, Steve Jones of the Sex Pistols. I may get one one day, but the GAS isn't high enough. :D
 
Bubba po said:
Thanks, mate. What's the furthest you would go to? At present the furthest south we get is Sheffield, or very occasionally North Nottingham.
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I'm in Nottingham occasionally but I do get oop nurth with work and stuff. I'll just give you a shout if ever I'm around. I did used to live in Leeds. It was fucking great.

I'm up north this weekend, going to surf snowdonia in the morning but just having lunch before a surf in Aberystwyth
 
Bubba po said:
I know the question was to Greg, but I would love to own a Twin. So many of my favourite guitarists used one - Joe Strummer of the Clash, John McKay of Siouxsie and the Banshees, Steve Jones of the Sex Pistols. I may get one one day, but the GAS isn't high enough. :D
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I've had a blckface and a silverface ..... if your band plays loud enough they're awesome although they don't really distort much.

Back in the day when loud was in I'd just dime everything except the treble ..... owie loud!
 
minerman said:
There's a guy over at the Marshall forum who has a Major, & it sounds great on his recordings, but IIRC, he had to do some serious work to get it running the way it's supposed to.
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I had a Major ..... they were voiced for bass as far as I know.
I didn't find it to sound that great ..... it was stupid loud but my 50 watt plexi killed it as far as toan went.

You guys ought to check out the old Ampegs ..... you could coax a pretty close to Marshall sound out of them and they were loud with not a lot of gain.
VERY versatile tone controls .... really nice amps for not much dinero.

Also the early Traynors were uber cool too.
 
Bubba po said:
I know the question was to Greg, but I would love to own a Twin. So many of my favourite guitarists used one - Joe Strummer of the Clash, John McKay of Siouxsie and the Banshees, Steve Jones of the Sex Pistols. I may get one one day, but the GAS isn't high enough. :D
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It's cool Bubba, this is the tone thread man. I love gabbing away about this shit myself...:D.

Greg did mention doing a build a pretty good while back, but can't remember if it was based on a Twin, or what dude...My memory ain't what it once was...:facepalm:.

I'd like to have another amp flavor or two someday. Maybe an Orange, Fender or something a little different. My main concern right now is getting the Ceriatone amp back. About 4-5 more weeks, & it should happen. Then I'll probably start on another amp search, most likely for a 50w JCM 800...That'll be quite a while down the road though...
 
Lt. Bob said:
I had a Major ..... they were voiced for bass as far as I know.
I didn't find it to sound that great ..... it was stupid loud but my 50 watt plexi killed it as far as toan went.
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The guy I'm talking about does old VH/80's stuff with his 200w Bob. I don't know exactly what all he's done to it, other than he's spent quite a bit of $$$ on it. I think he did something to add extra pre-amp gain, but I'm not 100% on that...Like I mentioned, that amp does sound good, but I don't think it's any better than some of the clips posted here...

Lt. Bob said:
You guys ought to check out the old Ampegs ..... you could coax a pretty close to Marshall sound out of them and they were loud with not a lot of gain.
VERY versatile tone controls .... really nice amps for not much dinero.

Also the early Traynors were uber cool too.
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Cool dude, I always like when you suggest different amps, as you've been around & have a lot of knowledge about this stuff too...:thumbs up:.
 
Hey fuckers and fuckettes.

Haven't been around for a few days. Christ, I think there are about 12 new pages since I was last here. Had to go back and try to catch up. I probably missed a few posts, but I caught JDOD's video (very cool, and very great playing), Bubba's sound is coming together wonderfully, Ray, Miner, everyone really has put up some good stuff.

Fat Jazzy made me spit out my fucking tea. Can this dude be any more "white". He needs to change his name to Whitey McWhiteness. :D

Greg's tone are always inspirational as all fuck.

Probably missed a few, but I did try to catch up.

Here's what I'm working on. I posted this a few weeks ago before I put real drums on it. Now it's finished except for the vocals. And I'm pretty sure it doesn't sound like Kashmir any more. I hope not anyway. Let me know especially how things sound starting at around 2:30, I think it is...the softer part.
 

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Hey Rami, I've been wondering where you've been dude...This thread takes spells nobody will post for a few days, & then it'll explode for a few pages...:).

Clip sounds good to me man, much better than the last version, much better to me...

You mentioned the softer part, I think it's fine myself dude. Not sure what you meant really, were you wanting the rhythm guitars in that part to sound like the volume knob has been rolled down, a little cleaner??? You re-amp your guitars, right??? If you're using a hardware out with the RMP, you can automate it's levels where the di signal won't hit as hard for that specific part, & most likely you won't have to re-track if that's what you're going for....Just sayin'...

I think it's fine as-is (the drums in this are stellar IMO dude), just letting you know about the little automation thing in case...:D
 
minerman said:
Hey Rami, I've been wondering where you've been dude...
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Yeah, besides this section, I've pretty much lost interest in most of this place. I think it's taken a turn for the worse since the last few months (even though the "numbers" are good) :laughings:. But anyway, don't even want to go there. If I was going to give my opinion on it, it would take up 3 pages, and it would probably get me banned again. Doesn't even matter. It's just a website that's a very miniscule part of my day now. Other than a few of you guys, I couldn't really give a crap what goes down here any more.:)

You mentioned the softer part, I think it's fine myself dude. Not sure what you meant really, were you wanting the rhythm guitars in that part to sound like the volume knob has been rolled down, a little cleaner??? You re-amp your guitars, right??? If you're using a hardware out with the RMP, you can automate it's levels where the di signal won't hit as hard for that specific part, & most likely you won't have to re-track if that's what you're going for....Just sayin'...
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Yeah, that's good to know. Nah, I was just wondering how that part sounded in general. Thanx duder. :cool:
 
Ok, here's a clip (it's actually a song minus the vocals) & I'm curious to what you guys think about it overall. Of course the guitars are in question, but everything else too...I'm trying to get this one finished up so I can move onto the next one...

CH 3-25-'16

I forgot to cut the silence at the beginning (it's about 5 seconds now, should be like 1-2), in time I'll fix that, so overlook that...
 
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