The New Tone Thread

[minerman]

Could be. Since it's only present when loud it may be the phase inverter tube. But I don't know. Swap one at a time and see what happens.

Yeah, I guess I'll pop the back off it after it cools of for a minute & swap a few tubes out...Might even be the power tubes, but if it is, I'm shit outta luck for now, I don't have a spare set....That's ok though, the fuckin' cash is on it's way.....

 

[JDOD]

I did try one of them Peavy Valve King amps. They had tube monitoring. Would probably be handy in this case. Sounded like shit though.

 

[Bubba po]

In my experience there is no happy medium between those two channels. Green is super thick and fat, Red is gainy and thin. Each sounds great on it's own, but dial in one channel, and the other is all fucked to hell. The one huge glaring weakness of the infamous DSL.

There's a bit of an anomaly on the Crunch channel of the JVM; the crunch red is an entirely different animal to crunch green and crunch orange. You dial in a nice tone for the first two and when you switch to red it goes very fat.

 

[minerman]

There's a bit of an anomaly on the Crunch channel of the JVM; the crunch red is an entirely different animal to crunch green and crunch orange. You dial in a nice tone for the first two and when you switch to red it goes very fat.

I'll be learning that first hand before too long Bubba, I'm already looking for a deal on GC online, cheapest I've saw today is $1200....

 

[Greg_L]

There's a bit of an anomaly on the Crunch channel of the JVM; the crunch red is an entirely different animal to crunch green and crunch orange. You dial in a nice tone for the first two and when you switch to red it goes very fat.

Yeah, kind of. It acts like like an older amp would if you cranked the preamp volume. They got fat as hell because it would bypass the bright cap. Crunch Red kind of acts that way too.

 

[Bubba po]

Yeah, kind of. It acts like like an older amp would if you cranked the preamp volume. They got fat as hell because it would bypass the bright cap. Crunch Red kind of acts that way too.

I really don't mind because I stamp on the red for Pistols stuff and it's spot on for that. It just delivers that thick powerchord slab that those songs need.

 

[Greg_L]

I really don't mind because I stamp on the red for Pistols stuff and it's spot on for that. It just delivers that thick powerchord slab that those songs need.

It's a good sound. OD1 Green would be good for that too, and sound a little tighter.

 

[Bubba po]

I'll be learning that first hand before too long Bubba, I'm already looking for a deal on GC online, cheapest I've saw today is $1200....

LOL, Spend, spend, spend! I hope you get what you want and a good deal to boot. Do you do "haggling" over there?

 

[minerman]

LOL, Spend, spend, spend! I hope you get what you want and a good deal to boot. Do you do "haggling" over there?

Well you can haggle if you buy in person, but I'll most likely buy it from GC online. They have a 30 day return policy, so if something's wrong with it, or I just don't like it, I can get my $$$ back...

Another month or so & I should start getting some new gear....I've been drooling over that amp for a couple years now, but just haven't been able to get my shit together.....I'm also drooling for an SG....

 

[minerman]

Ok, one more tone/clip for today, all the guitars in this were re-amped with the DSL this morning. I had ampsims on it because I'm still working on it, but went ahead & tracked the guitars....I think these tracks are keepers myself & sound much, much better than the ampsims I had on it.....

Signal chain:
LP > interface > re-amp box > DSL > Greenback > '57

Amp settings (dirty tones):

100w mode

OD2

Resonance: 2-3
Presence: 4
Bass: 5
Mid: 5
Treble: 6
Vol: 5
Gain: 4


Amp settings (clean tone):

100w mode

OGreen clean

Resonance: 6
Presence: 8
Bass: 8
Mid: 5
Treble: 7
Vol: 7
Gain: 7

The clean tone is a little bright, but I wanted it that way, kinda going for a Roland JC 120-ish sound....

LDO 3-3-2016

 

[ocnor]

Yeah I know dude, I know....Not sure, but I think I've got a tube going bad in this amp. When I crank the volume up past 6-7, I get a strange oscillation type sound, with more gain it's worse, so I may have a tube about to take a shit. I'll probably break out the stash of spare tubes & swap 'em around to see if that goes away. As long as I don't get the volume over about 5-6 it doesn't do it...

I'm thinking it may be a preamp tube (or I hope anyway)...

Any ideas??

It could be that you just need to re-bias the power tubes [or you need new ones]. They can drift over time as the tubes ages. That can cause the oscillation that you are hearing.

 

[minerman]

Ocnor: Thanks for the info on the amp, I'd thought about that too. It only does it when I push the power section really hard. I'm gonna dive into it in just a little while, see what I can find out...I mean, it's usable as-is, & I rarely push the volume past 5 anyway, but this needs to be addressed...


Ok, a question for Greg & anyone else experienced with P-90's & mini-humbuckers. I kinda know the difference, but would like some pro/con stuff from people who have actually used 'em...I'd like to hear from you guys that like/dislike those 2 p'ups, & why...


Reason is, I'm looking at getting as SG, & while it is a different guitar than my LP, it'd probably sound really similar. I've got the LP/humbucker thing covered, the strat s-s-s, pointy Floyd Rose thing, so I was thinking maybe a P-90 or mini-humbucker guitar would fit good with what I already have.....Lemme know guys...

 

[Greg_L]

It's hard to beat a P-90 SG!

The only con to a P-90 to me is the noise. And it's not really a problem for me, but they are noisy when the volume or gain is way up. They're single coils, so you can't really avoid it. Moving around to find your quietest spot can minimize it when recording.

Tone-wise they fall somewhere between a humbucker and a Fender-type single coil. Not as fat as a humbucker, not as shrill as a Strat/Tele single coil. They snarl and bite but they ring true and clear for chords and shit. Palm mutes are sharp and articulate. Leads pop an are very clear. But they don't push an amp very hard.

Mini-humbuckers are more like humbuckers than a P-90 because they are humbuckers, but they're a little more focused because the coils are closer together than traditional humbuckers. They're pretty low output overall, so like P-90s they don't push an amp very hard an sound pretty clean most of the time.

Either one is great, but my preference is P-90.

 

[minerman]

It's hard to beat a P-90 SG!

The only con to a P-90 to me is the noise. And it's not really a problem for me, but they are noisy when the volume or gain is way up. They're single coils, so you can't really avoid it. Moving around to find your quietest spot can minimize it when recording.

Tone-wise they fall somewhere between a humbucker and a Fender-type single coil. Not as fat as a humbucker, not as shrill as a Strat/Tele single coil. They snarl and bite but they ring true and clear for chords and shit. Palm mutes are sharp and articulate. Leads pop an are very clear. But they don't push an amp very hard.

Mini-humbuckers are more like humbuckers than a P-90 because they are humbuckers, but they're a little more focused because the coils are closer together than traditional humbuckers. They're pretty low output overall, so like P-90s they don't push an amp very hard an sound pretty clean most of the time.

Either one is great, but my preference is P-90.

Cool man, I was hoping you'd reply, because I know you've used both....

Another question, would the SG sound different enough with 'buckers, or if you were in my shoes, what would you pick (and remember I'm a gain-head at times too....)????

 

[Greg_L]

Cool man, I was hoping you'd reply, because I know you've used both....

Another question, would the SG sound different enough with 'buckers, or if you were in my shoes, what would you pick (and remember I'm a gain-head at times too....)????

SGs do sound different from LPs. Even with similar pickups. SGs are more resonant and midrangey because the body is thinner, but at high gain, they're probably gonna sound about the same.

Since you already have your humbucker bases covered, and you have a Strat for when you want crappy sounds, if I were in your shoes I'd go P-90 SG. That's one tone you aint getting with your other guitars.

I just yanked a mini-hum out of my SG for a P-90. I liked the mini-hums, but I like the P-90 better, for me.

 

[minerman]

SGs do sound different from LPs. Even with similar pickups. SGs are more resonant and midrangey because the body is thinner, but at high gain, they're probably gonna sound about the same.

Since you already have your humbucker bases covered, and you have a Strat for when you want crappy sounds, if I were in your shoes I'd go P-90 SG. That's one tone you aint getting with your other guitars.

I just yanked a mini-hum out of my SG for a P-90. I liked the mini-hums, but I like the P-90 better, for me.

Ok man, that's a fair comparison of 'em....Like I said, I do use a lot of gain at times,but lately I've been going for a little cleaner tone, but I'm sure you know I'm a gain-freak....lol...

It's still gonna be a little while before this happens, I'm just trying to weigh my options kinda like I did with the Lester...


Anyone else feel free to chime in too....

 

[Greg_L]

Keep in mind that if you go the P-90/mini-hum route, there's no turning back. Regular humbuckers and P-90/minihums are not interchangeable without gouging some wood out of the guitar.

 

[minerman]

Keep in mind that if you go the P-90/mini-hum route, there's no turning back. Regular humbuckers and P-90/minihums are not interchangeable without gouging some wood out of the guitar.

I hadn't even thought of that, but I dunno if I'd wanna do that or not really. I'm guessing there are aftermarket P-90/mini-buckers by Duncan/DiMarzio, surely???

Looks like you're helping me spend some more $$$ dude, just like "old times" from a couple years ago....

 

[Greg_L]

A soapbar P-90 and a mini-hum are interchangeable. The rout is the same. The soapbar P-90 drops right into the hole that a mini-hum mounting ring sits in. So those two are interchangeable. Dog-ear P-90s are not.

I meant that regular humbuckers will not fit in the hole left behind by a P-90 or a mini-hum.

Several pickup makers make a humbucker sized P-90 wannabe, but none of them seem to capture the magic of a real P-90.

What you could do, if you wanted, is buy a basic ass humbucker SG, and put a Seymour Duncan P-rails in it. That way you could get the P-90, humbucker, and a single rail all in one pickup.

 

[minerman]

A soapbar P-90 and a mini-hum are interchangeable. The rout is the same. The soapbar P-90 drops right into the hole that a mini-hum mounting ring sits in. So those two are interchangeable. Dog-ear P-90s are not.

That was my next question if the P-90 & mini-hb were the same size....

I meant that regular humbuckers will not fit in the hole left behind by a P-90 or a mini-hum.

I already knew that one man...

Several pickup makers make a humbucker sized P-90 wannabe, but none of them seem to capture the magic of a real P-90.

But, does Duncan/DiMarzio make true P-90 or mini-hb direct replacements??? I'll check online in a few..

What you could do, if you wanted, is buy a basic ass humbucker SG, and put a Seymour Duncan P-rails in it. That way you could get the P-90, humbucker, and a single rail all in one pickup.

Good idea, I'm gonna do some diggin' on all this, but if you (or anyone else) has any more ideas/info please do lemme know....