Multitrack recording on a PC?

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I've tried to research this myself but just came upon loads of conflicting information. I want to record drums and a guitar or two (5 or 6 mics) simultaneously on individual tracks in a DAW. I know the older Alesis MultiMix USB 2.0 (non-FX) did this, but I guess they don't make it anymore because I can't find it anywhere. The FX model only output stereo over USB like the rest of them. What gear would I need to do this as low cost as possible?

I am COMPLETELY new to this by the way.
 
You have to be careful buying usb mixers; some only send the stereo main outs (2-tracks) to the computer.

You have to read the specs and get an interface that send individual channels to the computer.
 
For 5 or 6 simultaneous mics you'd be best looking for an 8 channel usb or firewire audio interface.
The tascam us1800/us800 get super rep around here.

Good price, plenty of preamps, great rep...take a look. :)
 
Less than $300 for the US1800 is what I would go with (and did for a long time).

You could try to find a used Tascam US1641, but I would guess they are hard to come by these days. Basically it is the previous discontinued model before the US1800 came out. Same preamps, just different color and it had an internal power supply.
 
If I still wanted to use a mixer, could I connect the inserts to the US1800? Would that be a bad idea or would it just be better to use the US1800 on its own?
 
Unless your mixer is of high quality and has direct outs, you are way better off using the 1800 alone. There is really no need for a mixer if you have an interface that has preamps already, unless you have quality ouboard gear that you wish to use on the way in. This does not seem to be that type of situation here.

If you wish to have more than 8 (10 really) preamps 'input channels', then you will need to add a mixer or preamp to use the other 6 inputs of the 1800/1641.

Seriously man, the best bang for your buck is with the US 1800.

I have since upgraded but it sure did the job for me early on. I now have 3 isolation rooms and a control room with 24 track capability and some decent outboard gear. I have no use for a mixer in that chain.

We often try to advise members new to recording to stay away from the analog mixers. Especially the cheap ones. Unless you have a real need for them, they are pretty much useless IMO unless you are spending a whole bunch of money...
 
Alright, good to know. I'll probably go with the US1800.

Thanks for the help.
 
One thing to note with the US-1800 (I nearly bought one until I noticed this) is that it only has 4 outs. It features 16 ins (8 being XLR inputs), but if I'm not mistaken, the USB signal will only allow up to 4 independent tracks into the DAW (please someone speak up if I'm wrong on this).
 
One thing to note with the US-1800 (I nearly bought one until I noticed this) is that it only has 4 outs. It features 16 ins (8 being XLR inputs), but if I'm not mistaken, the USB signal will only allow up to 4 independent tracks into the DAW (please someone speak up if I'm wrong on this).

Yes, you are misunderstanding how that works. Sorry.. :)

'Outs' on an interface are related to the outputs from computer (DAW). They have nothing to do with the separated/isolated inputs into the computer.

The 1800 has 16 discrete inputs into a DAW via USB 2.0 connection. 4 outputs from the interface to things like monitors or outboard gear.

Mixers on the other hand can be the deceivers. Input channels do not equate to number of output channels. Hence, why they are called mixers. They mix down multiple input channels to an output. There are obviously much more expensive models that can do multiple outs to computer, but we are talking a big chunk of change for that. At least of good quality anyway.
 
One thing to note with the US-1800 (I nearly bought one until I noticed this) is that it only has 4 outs. It features 16 ins (8 being XLR inputs), but if I'm not mistaken, the USB signal will only allow up to 4 independent tracks into the DAW (please someone speak up if I'm wrong on this).
Whoah! Just to be clear, even though Jimmy explained it, the amount of independent tracks that you can send to your DAW correspond to the amount of "IN"s, not the amount of "OUT"s on the interface. The US_1800 allows you to record about 14 separate ( I say "about") because I've never tried recording more than 6 at a time and I'm not sure about the 4 line-ins in the back. But "4 outs" is a little confusing, because that's not referring to the amount of separate tracks you can record.
 
Yeah, I had all 16 running at once. 3 stereo preamps, one with spdif out and all built in preamp channels running. Each to individual tracks in DAW without issue.

USB 2 can handle it. I have 24 tracks through USB going now with different interfaces.
 
I knew that…I was just testing you guys :D Haha…seriously though, thanks for clearing that up, I was obviously confused, but that makes perfect sense. OP, ignore my previous statement; US-1800 should be exactly what you need.
 
I knew that…I was just testing you guys :D Haha…seriously though, thanks for clearing that up, I was obviously confused, but that makes perfect sense. OP, ignore my previous statement; US-1800 should be exactly what you need.

:) It's cool man. Hope you didn't waste money by misunderstanding...
 
:) It's cool man. Hope you didn't waste money by misunderstanding...

Nah, I actually ended up getting a killer deal on a used Firepod…after buying the unit, a firewire port, and a cable, I still spent less than $200…can't complain!
 
I always promote the Lexicon interfaces and they have an 8 channel unit ( I used the 4 channel version for 5 years now). The Tascam is a bit cheaper and is a great unit.
 
Nah, I actually ended up getting a killer deal on a used Firepod…after buying the unit, a firewire port, and a cable, I still spent less than $200…can't complain!

I used to recommend the firepod/fp10 a lot but firewire isn't that popular and the Tascam US interfaces are usually cheaper/easier to find, so I don't bother now.
Sounds like you got a great deal. :)

You know now that your 8 line outputs on the back are for speakers/headphone amps/hardware effects etc?
 
I used to recommend the firepod/fp10 a lot but firewire isn't that popular and the Tascam US interfaces are usually cheaper/easier to find, so I don't bother now.
Sounds like you got a great deal. :)

You know now that your 8 line outputs on the back are for speakers/headphone amps/hardware effects etc?

Yeah, I'm actually still learning what all those damn outs are for…LOL. Right now, I have my powered monitors (KRK 5s) plugged into the main outs…should I change this? I have not even used any outboard FX since purchasing this unit (I own VERY little), but I assumed the line outs are where those would be routed from. Also, I was discussing reamping options on another thread, and I think it was established that's where I would want to send the recorded guitar signal as well…hope I'm not hijacking a thread here, haha
 
Yeah, I'm actually still learning what all those damn outs are for…LOL. Right now, I have my powered monitors (KRK 5s) plugged into the main outs…should I change this? I have not even used any outboard FX since purchasing this unit (I own VERY little), but I assumed the line outs are where those would be routed from. Also, I was discussing reamping options on another thread, and I think it was established that's where I would want to send the recorded guitar signal as well…hope I'm not hijacking a thread here, haha

Hah.
Since the OP is "Completely new" to this and asking about routing, it does no harm.

Keeping it basic, your computer looks for analog sources of audio, and also sends audio to analog destinations.
Microphone = analog source. Speakers = analog destination, for example.

The interface inputs take analog audio and pipe into into your software as digital audio.
The interface outputs take audio that's in your computer and pipe it out as analog audio.
The two aren't related in terms of numerical assignments or limitations.

The number of separate things you can record simultaneously is dictated by the number of discreet inputs.


Connecting the monitors to main outputs is bang right. Quite often interfaces have main outs plus some additional extra outputs.
Whether the numbering starts at 3 or 1 doesn't really matter.
Sometimes they're just called 1,2,3,4..etc

Your software should, by default, send the stereo master output to main outs/1+2....Your monitors.

If you plan to reamp dry recordings I'd suggest using output 3 to prevent any confusion or mixup.
It also removes the need to unplug/replug stuff and prevents the possibility of setting up a feedback loop by mistake.
 
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